Did you add dry ice to the solution directly when winterizing?
Indoor or outdoor material?
Anything added to/put on the flower the last 3 weeks or so before chopping?
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No. Just paper filtration.
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No dry ice. Covered pot in -55 freezer.
Most of our trim is outdoor. Not our farm, so idk what they did.
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You said it is waxy, drop some in methanol or acetone what Happens?
Pesticide/ herbicide?
My vote is ph imbalance from somewhere causing the issues with decarb heat. Might be a good time to stop and water wash before adding more heat but the damage might already be done after decarb.
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Looks an awful lot like louched terps. That milky cloudiness is familiar (from having water present with terps). Maybe @cyclopath could chime in, too. He’s my favorite loucher.
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Exactly. Something is wanting to leave the liquid party so I was asking those questions based off the 2 reasons I could think of.
I would be very interested to know the ph and moisture content of the initial bho then again right before it went through the wipemedowns
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Louche effect is my best guess as well. The emulsification from the wiper made the product super stable… Probably just the right amount of water homogenized in there to make it happen.
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As noted before I am running 2 different strains from the same farm concurrently so same batch of EtOH
and no reason to believe one would have water and not the other. This batch is about 1/5th the size of the one having no issues.
Washed the terp/wax with water tested for pH was neutral.
Scrapings from coffee filter. Consistency and feel of hand cream.
Melted on a hot plate, it breaks up into two components! One yellow, the other, clear.
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Oil and water…
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Do you have more material to attempt this again, same parameters?
I have a strong reason to believe this is caused by a perfect amount of moisture content— just right enough to give it that consistency… It also explains the emulsion’s separation when you placed it on the hotplate.
TLDR Yellow volatile/clear volatile (+ maybe a small amount of wax/fat?) + perfect amount H20 + wiper emulsification = hand cream heads fraction. Time to start your cosmetics career, @CdpIchem !
A Karl Fischer Titration would be useful here, or possibly a simple crackle test with the hotplate.
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Maybe it was cut with some kind of high molecular weight lipid ester that was somewhat more soluble in your winterization solvent than the totally non polar waxes you’re used to encountering.
Compounds like that are used in cosmetics to keep the emulsion of the product stable.
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Did you extract it initially?
How did you decarb the big run with no issues?
I have had material from the same grower and even the same field behave very differently for all sorts of reasons. Grower likes to put this on that strain, has this issue with this strain so puts this on it but those don’t need it, water in the corner of the field made this material mold, this strain won’t have dense buds unless i keep the ph here… you name it.
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Neither of the two components from the melt are water. Although the clear component does eventually evaporate and the yellow stays. Hot plate temp is approx 250f.
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Crank that bad boy up.
https://www.cbmconnect.com/screening-for-moisture-crackle-test/
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250f for what batch size and time?
Those may not be water but it could still cause issues in multiple stages. For example if there was a small amount of water in the initial butane used to extract and the flower had been treated/contaminated from any of the above reasons, the small often unoticable amount of water could bring that through mixed with your goods. And though the small amount of water probably (but not definitely, on the small sample atleast) left during decarb, whatever it brought with it could still be in there.
2L 200f for 8 hours may be enough to get rid of the water, but then whatever it brought with it could act as a catalyst and break down/isomerize/create something during your decarb. Or meet something it likes and they could do it together. Could also explain the difference from your big batch since it was 250f at (size and time) which could drastically change the rate of said reaction and explain why the big batch is gravy while the little batch looks like gravy.
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Hey if you dont mind me asking, what can happen if you add dry ice to the solution directly when winterizing? We’ve done it in the past and since moved on to a chiller but would love to hear your input.
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The same butane with used on both batches. In the end it doesn’t affect my final product as this fraction is waste anyway. I’ll see how the disty comes out tomorrow. Also by tomorrow I expect to have two distinct layers. It’s trending that way.
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That depends on what you are adding it to but will usually make it cold lol
Depending on what and how you add it, it can draw in moisture, break certain things down, alter the ph, burn your hand, make bubbles…
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