Eleva7e is currently looking for sources for the aforementioned alkaloids.
What makes you want to source Mgm15? A workaround? Cost? I heard from one lab it’s relatively dangerous, but they could be biased.
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Hey shattertramp I saw kratomcowboy (Steve) refer you on another post and I would love to hear from you. I’m very interested in what you have to offer. Feel free to message or let me know via reply here how to contact you. Thank you.
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And that is how something good gets on the radar to be banned… Smfh
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I am also looking for a wholesaler.
We’ve got 7 at up to 80% purity available at competitive prices. Email me. tom@kickazzcompany.com
I am looking for MGM15 as well. Please DM me or reach out!
MGM16 is dangerously potent, but I’ve never seen it available commercially. It requires 10-flouro-7-hydroxymitragynine and that is a reaction most labs cannot or will not do. MGM15 is a different molecule and somewhere between 7oh and psuedo when it come to potency.
Got half a kg of 52.5% 7oh with 16% mit remaining. Asking 0.028 per active mg. Email me for COAs
just FYI for folks looking for bulk MGM products, or other potential 7oh analogues like 7-acetoxymitragynine(which has been offered commercially around 2007 by a handful of ethnobotanical vendors like ethnogarden and nomad) - unless i am mistaken, ATM most of the kratom industry operates under the assumption that due to how long kratom has been sold and marketed as a botanical supplement in the US, it is covered as a botanical dietary supplement under the 1994 DSHEA legislation that regulates dietary supplements. this is why kratom companies assume it is legal to sell kratom expressly for consumption, with dosing instructions, in forms like tablets, capsules, gummies etc.
in the early days of kratom, it was sold as something like a “botanical specimen” or a product for making soap, dye or incense, with warnings that it was “not for human consumption”. at that time most vendors assumed it wasnt an acceptable dietary supplement. something changed around the 2016 ban scare when the AKA really took off - im assuming in some way or another, some group of expensive lawyers found what they think is legal justification to market kratom as a dietary supplement, and thats what they’re going to instruct the AKA and associated vendors to do until its challenged and they can hash it out with the gov’t in court. just guessing here tho.
the 1994 DSHEA specifically allows for “metabolites” of acceptable dietary supplements to be sold. 7oh and mitragynine pseudoindoxyl are metabolites of mitragynine, thus if kratom is an acceptable dietary supplement so is 7oh and pseudo. in theory anyway.
mgm15, mgm16, 7-acetoxymitragynine, deuterated mitragynine or any other mit/7oh analogues are NOT metabolites of mitragynine or anything else in kratom and AFAIK no legal justification exists to sell them for human consumption. they are research chemicals, pure and simple. yes, 4sub tryptamine RCs explicitly marketed for consumption are leaking into smoke shops under the guise of this “proprietary blend” nonsense where companies unbelievably sell powerful psychedelics without identifying the compound or dose to the end user…but again AFAIK there is no real legal justification for this…people are just doing it anyway. the aforementioned 7oh/mit analogues like mgm15 are NOT legal to sell for consumption and are likely in the same legal category as an RC that does not fall under the analogue act - youre not supposed to sell it for consumption so no tabs, caps, dosing instructions, etc etc - its the RC “not for human consumption” model. if 7oh is federally scheduled, all of these compounds now fall under the federal analogue act, and like the RC “mushroom” products popping up, selling compounds like this in forms that imply consumption like tabs/gummies or referencing consumption in any way, in theory, would make posession or sales pretty easily prosecutable under the federal analogue act. thats what the whole federal analogue act is about - if an unscheduled compound is structurally similar to a scheduled one, you cant sell it for consumption. thats why RC vendors, US domestic ones especially, sell pure powders with “NFHC” warnings.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that so long as 7OH isn’t scheduled federally, selling the aforementioned analogues for human consumption would be in violation of FDA administrative laws, not any US criminal code.
In other words yes there can be consequences and legal ramifications but you’re likely not going to jail for it seeing as they are, at least for now, not analogues of any scheduled substance.
Not encouraging people to do it, just wanted to clarify.
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yes that is my understanding also. not legal but also doesnt carry traditional “drug dealing” sort of consequences. often sellers of unapproved supplements or food ingredients will get stuff like warning letters from the FDA before any consequences are doled out. like IIRC some nootropics vendors have gotten these kinds of letters for the more controversial noots like phenibut, tianeptine and various -afinils. you generally dont just get raided and arrested or something like that.
The k2 guys got like 8-9 years each for something that was never scheduled
Bouncing bear botanicals
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Respectfully, I think you’re mistaken, the indictments came down after the DEA scheduled them. I forget if it was emergency scheduling or not, but they certainly got charged under either the controlled substance or analogue act.
I read through their casework extensively. Pretty interesting read. Biggest one I saw actually got 20 years— netted like 34 million over the span of 2-3 years tho 
Indicted after being scheduled, for crimes committed before scheduling. All the charges are related to the fdca and conspiracy, no controlled substance charges
Oh wow so they got hit with fraud charges that’s wild. I hadn’t seen that case. The one I’m talking about wasn’t slanging JWH it was one of the XLR series. He got conspiracy to distribute charges though. They slayed him.
oh man. bouncing bear botanicals. now there is a name i have not heard in awhile.
at the end of the day, if you’re selling things that get you high and are not acceptable for human consumption, LE agencies can and will come down on you if you get to big, if OD’s are traced back to you(like the pondman in operation web tryp), they will find a way to fuck you. the law is pretty ambiguous.
i think its really more about how hard or easy youre going to make it for them to fuck you. selling analouges clearly for consumption makes it easier for them than selling analogues as raw research samples. raw research samples of analouges make it easier for them to fuck you than selling raw research samples of non-analogue RC’s. and ATM we have the path with the strongest theoretical legal protections in modern grey market drug history that make it even harder for them to fuck you - 7oh/kratom products and psychoactive hemp products inadvertently protected by the DSHEA and farm bill respectively.
they didnt have to schedule any drugs to charge the pondman with 410 years cause some kid OD’d on his RC’s, they just raided his ass. 7oh vendors get FDA letters and threats of scheduling.