Who makes your favorite hydrocarbon extraction system. What makes it your favorite over others?

[thesk8nmidget]

@Sirsmokesalot

The company that owned the lunatech tested their spent biomass and it had plenty of cannabinoids still in it until they started doing 3 wash, soak, drain cycles.

So you dont know any actual numbers? “Plenty” is not a quantifiable number.

@Sirsmokesalot

Industry standard seems to be around 80-90% of the total cannabinoids in the biomass

So this wasnt my question… I asked “what percent of thc in your spent biomass do you consider good enough?”
80-90% extraction effciency on 10% biomass and 25% biomass is vastly different to meet and there are so many different variables to consider before you can even quantify your extraction efficiency.

@Sirsmokesalot

I don’t know what temperature “most people” are running at but I know that at -20 you don’t have to soak three fuckin times lol

first off lets clarify to the people reading what you mean… -20c or -20f? they are vastly different values.

Second off that is pretty warm for today’s standards and explains why you would be getting a higher “yield” but i can assure you its not a better yield since you are pulling all sorts of fats and waxes at that temp. and since you arent testing your spent biomass you cant really answer my question in a useful way.

The reason I asked how much thc is left in your spent biomass is because you can get an 80-90% extraction if you are using simple (non analytical) yield calculations from your biomass potency going in and say you are running 10kg material bags tested at 10% thc. That should yield 1000g of thc with a perfect extraction.

80% would equal 800g so when people pour they hope to get 800g (900g for 90%) or more after solvent purge, and that numbers easy to reach but it doesnt account for your actual thc yield. its just an overall extraction yield that includes terps, noids, and all other plant material extracted, and if you are running -10c or -10f you are going to meet that yield way quicker than i would running at -50c due to the difference in solubility of butane at those temps.

Now to go a little further with my thought process do you think its easier to get 80% yield of THC from 25% biomass or 8% biomass?

10kgs @ 25%= 2500g *.80=2000g which leaves behind 500g or the spent biomass would have (500/10000=0.05) 5% thc left over.

10kgs @ 8%=800g *.80=640g which leaves behind 160g or the spent biomass would have (160/10000=0.016) 1.6% thc left over.

After extracting for years with analytics you would figure out that getting those final few percents are much harder on the 8% material than it is on the 25% material.

I personally wouldnt be happy with leaving behind the 5% in the 25% material but i would be more than happy with leaving 1.6% thc left in the 8% material however i also know that leaving behind only 1.6% is pretty unrealistic in the real world and most people are leaving behind a lot more than 1.6% no matter how many soaks you do. Dont believe me test your spent biomass, and dont just sample one part of the bag, take 10 samples from every part of the bag mix them all up and then test it to get an overall average of the entire bag.

[standardoil]

@thesk8nmidget

Now to go a little further with my thought process do you think its easier to get 80% yield of THC from 25% biomass or 8% biomass?

80% is 80% would be my answer.

If a hydrocarbon system is having difficulty extracting 80% of what’s in the material coa into the extract coa then there are some issues with the system or the way it’s being run.

At 1000 lbs a month 20% is a lot to leave on the table, anything more is inefficient and it’s costing someone’s business money.

[cyclopath]

Sounds like you’re still following cadabinoids rather than cannabinoids.

Different metrics.

One is considerably more informative for process optimization.

[standardoil]

I googled “cadabinoid” and it was as clueless as myself as to what that “word” means.

Upon further research I found it to be a colloquial term describing the amount of cannabinoids that can be dabbed.

Is someone gonna slap this slang term and a scientific term together with some analytics and make a cogent thesis?

[standardoil]

If I’m looking at the coa for the material how am I following the made up word?

Is that what the lab tests for is the made up word?

Never seen that term in a COA
I’m dumb and can’t read and it’s too early lol.

These are all great insights here. Sorry.

[cyclopath]

You haz yield data?

Input 1kg at 20% thc (coa)

Output: 200g.

To say you hit 20% yield is following only that what can be dabbed.

With coa on output at 75% THC, what is your extraction efficiency?

What is your % yield on available cannabinoids?

Yep; cadabinoids is made up word.

Coined to describe to folks what they are ACTUALLY following when they use raw yield numbers to track their process efficiency.

[standardoil]

I get what you are saying and the amount of cannabinoids not grams of return is what is being figured by the 80%

[cyclopath]

…and you still believe that 80% extraction efficiency (grabbed 80% of available cannabinoids) is the same task on 25% vs 8% input?

I posit you have not tracked yield correctly. Ever. Happy to be wrong there.

[standardoil]

80% is 80% is my answer.

[cyclopath]

How about getting 80% out of 5% (post extraction) biomass.

It IS a much harder task.

Why?

The biology of trichomes for one…

[standardoil]

When you eat 80% of a cake that weighs 25lbs and 80% of a cake that weighs 8lbs you have eaten 80% of both cakes

When you are extracting 80% of the sugar from the cake that has 25 grams of sugar and 80% of the cake that has 8 grams of sugar you have extracted 80% from both cakes.

[standardoil]

Does it being a more difficult task change the math of 80% being 80%?

[cyclopath]

Only if you actually read the question you claim to be answering…

@standardoil

@thesk8nmidget

Now to go a little further with my thought process do you think its easier to get 80% yield of THC from 25% biomass or 8% biomass?

80% is 80% would be my answer.

Which makes your response flippant or ignorant. Having been informed. That leaves flippant or “can’t read”.

You do you.

[TenTen]

Mercedes Benz for the win! Love my E350 4Matic, they are just so comfy and drive smooth as butter!

[standardoil]

Is all this snarkiness because of a Luna that extracts poorly?

You do you.

I’m here for a chiller recommendation. I’m not a super fancy genius engineer guy that buys poorly engineered extraction systems from less capable engineers.

[cyclopath]

@standardoil

Is all this snarkiness because of a Luna that extracts poorly?

Nope. Extraction efficiency seems on par with other systems when run in an identical manner.

Just trying to clear up misconceptions around what extraction efficiency really means.

Eg by coining a phrase that (I hope) helps folks without formal training wrap their heads around mass balance.

@standardoil

I’m here for a chiller recommendation.

Wrong thread?

Try: Who sells huge cryo chillers that aren't huge disappointments?

[Sirsmokesalot]

Lmao you’re making this wayyyy too complicated to try to find a fault in what I’m saying. It’s a straightforward answer, you should be extracting 80-90% of what is on the biomass. You can check the biomass before you can check it after. Simple stuff.

I don’t have the numbers because I worked there almost two years ago and didn’t bother downloading or saving the tests, just glanced at them on the owners phone.

I prefer -20f or -28 in Celsius. Running cold columns, cold material and -20 solvent has been working fine for me for years. Blasting -20 solvent over room temp columns and biomass is for wooks

[Sirsmokesalot]

Anyways, have you ever ran a lunatec? Because that would be actual relevant information you could contribute. If not, idk why youre trying to discredit me. Go run one and see for yourself

[cyclopath]

He does.

[Sirsmokesalot]

Great. Then he already knows what I’m saying is true lol