Yeah that was my thoughts too. I asked Jacqueline if the terps were any good and she said they were but I can’t see how that could be the case. The heat would destroy them or at least bring some other compounds in the mix that makes then less desirable. Honestly I think the days of growing for cannabinoids only is gone and the sooner you shift to prioritizing the terpene capture/refinement the better you will be in the long run.
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There’s an aspect of the design that eludes me pertaining to the vacuum setup. So, just wondering if that’s how they have some way of creating suitable conditions for preservation of some volatiles.
Interesting that after pressing them they announce the inability to capture the terps. It was my first question in our introduction meeting and was defused quickly, they mentioned the vacuum part of it, will check in with them again and see what we come up with…
Also, another claim was made that you could be loose about using uncured material, some residual moisture content is okay apparently…
They told me you could preserve the monos using an initial cool pass and then running a second time to get cannabinoids. But that in their actual cannabinoid run they would all be lost.
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You’re looking for Boulder Creek Technologies and Jacqueline McGrane.
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All extracts unless winterized with methanol have some degree of fats and lipids in them IMO. You can take ethanol winterized crude and put it in methanol and stuff will still come out (doesn’t mean your disty will be cloudy, you can get away with a degree of fats and lipids in there like live resin does)
I’ve never had a live resin cart that was made right that was cloudy
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Tricrop is grown for seeds, fibers and cannabinoids are a small side byproduct
Most countries that grow hemp grow tricrop, and with the price of cbd plummeting seeds and fiber are worth more now then the cannabinoids
I agree completely. Complete absence of wax is not what people care about. In fact there’s waxes even in the methanol stuff (you can show this by winterizing in acetonitrile – more fats will drop than in methanol)
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This was the general consensus point that BCT made to us.
Not really, honestly I was “looking for” what Future, Thetetraguy, Cyclopath and members of The Good Life Gang thought, people that know what they’re talking about.
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A back of the envelope calculation suggested that if one was looking to make distillate, with or without winterizing, this would have a noticeably lower opex than solvent-based extraction, even an ultra efficient membrane based one.
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Not when using hydrocarbons and warm extraction
For 3 milly I can build you a lab that does double what you’d get from these guys
For 3m I can easily build out a lab that does 10x the throughput of their biggest unit.
Not that I’m in the business of selling them. I’ve got no interest in being an OEM.
I do like their tech though. It’s a different focus from mine. If I wanted to do THC pens at scale, this is what I’d use.
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Loxley here - yes, our systems produce a wax-free, fully activated distillate at very low temps to prevent any thermal degradation of the terpenes or cannabinoids. The product out of the system is wax-free with over 85% total cannabinoids and ready for consumption - no upgrading needed. We process fresh, frozen, or dried material. The whole process takes 45-60 minutes and we can scale to whatever size you need.
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I’ve seen the boulder creek unit operating now. It’s actually very cool and the potency is quite high. Whether it’s worth 3m is definitely still open to doubt, but as a method it seems to be very competitive and no doubt the price may move down if more competition starts circulating.
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“Ya, but with a cool electrostatic condenser instead of your lungs”
When toking little if any is vapor…but aerosols , yes! Lungs being a condenser precipitating out aerosol-cannabinoids into surfactant seems to be a slightly overlooked phenomenon.……no body knows the transport mechanism to brain receptor sites.
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This is very interesting to me… seems like many have tried to figure this out…How are you able to capture the vapor?
Dr. Ethan Russo has spoke about potential targets. I’ve also been doing some experiments to see what other types of transporters they can interact with, it also seems like a good chunk of cannabinoids end up trapped in serum proteins.
“ABCA1. A mutation was observed in synonymous areas of ATP-binding cassette transporter gene (ABCA1) in CHS patients (odds ratio, 8.4 [95% CL, 1.5–48.1] p=0.012).
ABCA1 is the gene coding the ATP-binding cassette transporter, previously known as the cholesterol efflux regulatory protein, which affects cholesterol and phospholipid homeostasis, key to Alzheimer’s disease”
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Silver…my statement is just off the top of my head.
Best regards, reos
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Ah…you noticed…
the system is 3 million dollars? is this for their largest unit?