Even with a non-volatile acid?
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i have gathered something, if you donât wanna be âtrolledâ as you say it, donât state incorrect information. @roiplek is simply making sure accurate information is on the forum and gets a lot of shit for it simply because people donât like how he states it or whatever. Be thankful someone cares to correct you
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My last 'version with t41 pulled a 98.5 TAC. It doesnât have to be all whacky. Focus on prep and control of rx.
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I didnât say anything incorrect. Acids & Bases affect things in a boiling flask even with no water. Thatâs a fact. Things have a pH even with no water. Does he always need someone to fly in with their panties outside their yoga pants to defend him? You his boyfriend or what? Funny his heroâs handle has the word redundant in it, checks out. Unless you can answer my original inquiry why donât you get off my jock.
incorrect (regardless of presence of water)
incorrect
you want trolling, you get trolling, but with facts. now what?
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You got 98.5 TAC with T41?
Iâm impressed 
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I think @Photon_noir went over it on another thread; but whatâs the description of something acting as an acid in a non water solution? I.e. HCL in heptane
What categories/descriptor would fit if pH isnât the correct term
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thatâs the exact description.
if the solvent canât get protonated, thatâs just all there is to it, unless thereâs a base in the mix that will react.
for the concentration of an acid or base in a solvent, weight fraction or molarity/molality are appropriate terms.
pH is a useful scale because in water, there cannot be a stronger acid than H3O+ since water itself acts as a base.
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Heâs right.
By definition pH is deprotonated ions in water.
Other things functionally act as acids and bases, and their outcomes are the same.
But purely by definition they must be in water to be referred to as pH.
You could be annoyed at the nomenclature of pH, but you gotta take that up with the bigwigs at science, not roiplek.
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pH is potential hydrogen meaning itâs potential not actual hydrogen. Kinda like you having the potential to be a piece of shit, youâre not actually a piece of shit but definitely have the potential to be one. That potential could affect a reaction.
Is he being particularly helpful? No
Is he right? Yes
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Hereâs photons explanation
Electronegativity and electropositivity are probably better ways of describing what weâre doing here. Not pH
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pH is the scale used to reference electronegativity or electropositivity. pH is the value of the logarithmic solution to molar concentration of hydrogen ions & receptors. All heâs doing is defining what pH is and saying itâs not pH. He is wrong because pH is needed to refrence the acid or base to solve the heat required for the reaction the lower the pH the more energy already present, a higher pH acid has less H+ ions so more heat energy is needed for the reaction. A high pH tells us it accepts H+ ions. If we are analyzing an unknown compound taking the pH helps eliminate a number of possibilities. Water has nothing to do with any of it. He makes it self evident he is only a parrot repeating the fact that hydrocarbons dont have pH which is true but he is applying the concept all the way across the board which is false, the pH of many anhydrous compounds can be altered, even with nonvolatile acids. His logic only applies to certain solvents.
nope.
p = -log
H = c(H3O+)
I could be, but with the kindergarten level tantrums @artisanextracts is throwing, i choose not to be. This is all absolute n00b level shit that is exhaustively documented in very simple language on Wikipedia, and as such should be read up on there.
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If the acids arenât creating hydronium in an aqueous solution, are the H+ even freely moving around or are they still stuck to their respective molecules.
Also, even if an acid is non-volatile, isnt there potential that it is entrained in your vapor flow as a liquid
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Remember, in an organic context âacidâ doesnât universally mean âadds protonsâ to the solution. It can also mean âtakes electronsâ from the system if I remember my O chem correctly (Ie Bronsted vs Lewis acids).
IMO @roiplek is being unnecessarily pedantic over the definition of âpHâ since pH is just measuring protons to characterize the higher concept of the electronic (as in literal electrons) activity of the solution.
Hell the pH probes everyone uses works by measuring electrical conductivity compared to known pH standard solutions.
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If thereâs no hydrogenâs leaving the molecule of the acid, how do can one expect the electrons to be âtakenâ?
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