I heard it’s possible to grow high THC cannabis (type I chemotype) under a hemp program license, do a preharvest compliance test right before it reaches 0.3% THC, wait 30 days per the USDA harvest window then harvest to get material that’s around 2-3% THC no CBD and good to extract and distill into “hemp-derived” d9. Does anyone know if this is being done?
sounds illegal and would never be done in the hemp industry
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It’s not illegal lol, USDA testing agents are encouraging people to do this in the open. It’s literally following the rules to a T in the eyes of the USDA.
As per your state, well that could be a different story.
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I was being facetious hence the italics
At this stage in the game i think is the standard operating procedure with most farms growing thca “hemp”
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That is not what hemp derived d9 means on the open market. That is cannabis d9 with a misleading name
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Since the 2018 Farm Bill requires total thc, decarbed flower, for testing, I don’t think any of these thca farms are actually getting tested. I’ve failed 4 tests in the last 5 years growing type III cbd cultivars…some just barely at .4 and .5 thc. They were tested early too around weeks 5 and 6.
But there really is no regulation post testing. So there’s a lot of wiggle room and a lot of thca flower floating around for hemp companies to resell.
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That is untrue in total. It requires post decarb or other reliable methods. People are passing type 1 left and right and I’ve never heard a USDA inspector take issue with this methodology even when explained to them in full.
Also seen plenty of post harvest tests to go with the USDA test. Anyone who says this isn’t possible hasn’t tried.
I agree with @Cascade_hemp , no one is making distillate from that kind of process, though. Most of it stays as flowers. It is misleading. It’s mostly converted CBD that goes into HD9.
Also, most THCA hemp flower is just old crappy reject marijuana. Not arguing that. But it can be done properly, and people are doing it.
Hell, 710 labs does an early pick for color, but look at their COAs… Only THCa.
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Maybe it’s just my state… I’m in Washington. Been operating since 2019 and get tested 3-4 times per year running year round greenhouses.
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I’ve never seen a single pre-harvest test for high THCa flower masquerading as hemp, mostly seems to be people testing black market flower to see if it’s <.3% d9 as a finished good and ignoring the preharvest testing requirements
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My advice based on what you said is find a strain you can test earlier. I’m no expert, my team is, but I know a lot goes into the methodology of stress. Obviously quicker finishing strains help. We make hash and rosin so not necessarily worried about the flower aspect if it looks a bit immature.
It’s mostly just timing and pushing the plant to it’s limit.
@pdxcanna you want me to put you in contact with the USDA inspector that will confirm what I’m saying? I could most certainly show you tests if you are actually interested and not just bashing hemp.
Tell them to come here, we all want to learn
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I have no idea if he’s interested in joining up, but I can certainly do what I offered if you are interested.
In fact, there are 7 total farms in my state that have passed type 1 under USDA.
DM me the farm names and I’ll FOIA the ams-22 forms with the post-harvest reports
I can’t see it working without subbing in a CBD/cbg type chemovar to get a “compliant” preharvest test
You can think whatever you want man, I’m telling you it’s being done. I offered what I offered, either take it and try and understand or continue being standoffish. I just told you I’d show you tests and put you into contact with the man who inspected them but you are talking about FOIA? Get lost man, you have too much time on your hands. Not going to drag other local businesses in that didn’t consent for me to share their info with you. Sounds rat-like. How long does a FOIA take, anyways? Sounds like you don’t want to know too bad. You already know my company, go ahead and FOIA and you’ll see we’ve never failed a test, ever.
If you change your heart, let me know friend. I’m done trying to defend myself when I’m literally just trying to provide access to high quality cannabis in my fucked up state.
Or, you know, you could just try doing it yourself and understand there it’s fairly accessible
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This is what I am wondering since it seems way easier than messing around with chromatographic purification of mother liquor or CBD conversions, and you can call it hemp-derived since it comes with a harvest compliance test.
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Don’t distill. Hash it, press it and decarb. Add to edibles, which I’m assuming your distillate is for anyways. Then go forth and dominate compared to the sea of trash that your competition is.
If you are only pulling 2-3% THCA on the plant you did it wrong.
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You just can’t help but to make arguments in bad faith can you?
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Im not sure the margins in current market conditions would support such a strategy unless you had a very serious; capital-intensive flash system.
Im sure there are some groups doing it but man those margins must be razor thin.
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That’s kind of what I was thinking - seems expensive. I am in lab testing and we are seeing a lot more of these hemp-derived D9 edibles that don’t seem converted from CBD (typical THC isomer byproducts not detected) and am just genuinely curious of where this stuff comes from. Some of the edibles/beverage companies are legit and trying to be compliant every step of the way. I guess if you’re just putting 5mg in a gummy then the expense per gummy is not too high though.
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Are you able to check the ratio of cis:trans d9?
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