Iâd say that glass/ceramic/surgical steel is likely a lot safer than PTFEs. I wouldnât say that PTFEs are near the safest options.
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Nope. That does not workâŚ
Explain how extracting cannabis with hydrocarbons instead of CO2 gives us sick folks who have only vaped nicotine?
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These are complex reactions occurring, and multiple external factors seem to contribute to the different reactions, which then react to create secondary reactions and so forth. So many factors involved here, so youâll never be able to find the smoking gun, if thatâs what youâre looking for.
But i wonder how many labs/operations utilize ozone generators or air purifiers in the space they are operating in? If itâs a fairly common practice, then that would be deeply troubling.
[Just to give you a heads up, Iâm taking off my lab coat here, and putting on my tin foil hat for some personal conjecture, so be forewarned]
One thing to keep in mind, is that these injuries were probably more prevalent than we had previously assumed. Isolated incidents were probably occurring, and all it took was one special interest with a narrative to push that prompted the initial ânews reportâ that got everybodyâs attention. The CDC has probably been gathering data on these incidents for quite some time, and Iâm skeptical that this is a suddenly occurring phenomenon. The way this was being reported and the speed at which legislation was passed raises too many eyebrows for me to believe everything at face value. Iâm sure people have been going to the hospital for vape related injuries for years, we just never knew the extent, until the time was ripe for the PR/propaganda campaign against vapes for whatever the ulterior motive may have been. If the intention was to call attention to these mystery lung injuries, while implicating vapes as the culprit, their mission is already accomplished. Now that the attention on this has reached critical mass, itâs only natural that more cases will be reported, as more agencies are now gathering more data. The damage is done, and our industry will have to adapt to the inevitable changes that will be coming down the pipeline.
[Removing foil cap, donning the lab coat again]
Who knows if weâll ever find a smoking gun. The fact remains that weâve been producing potentially unsafe products. It sort of comes with the territory when we are at the forefront of the R&D that goes into something as new as this. Itâs a good thing that we now have more labs and more scientists involved in studying this, because we could all benefit from all the data that comes out of this. Itâs crazy how little we really know about the things we are concocting (and consuming). Until yesterday, i assumed that the best formulation for vape pens involved nothing but distillate and terpenes. Now with this knowledge of just how unstable and how potentially toxic terpenes can easily become, i donât know if Iâll continue down this path of formulating for vape consumption. I sincerely hope the community here actually takes a look at those links i posted in my initial post. Thereâs still much to learn, and we need to find better solutions for how we approach diluents and affect viscosity. So far none of our methods really seem to be reliably safe.
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This would have to be studied on a vapor level. The same way they put cancer sticks on a breather to study the effects. We would need to use various carts with various levels of disty/terps to see what is being produced after vaporizing the oil mix. This would also need to be done on carts that have sat for 30 days, 60 days and 90 days to see what the effect of shelf life have on them.
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I find that nasty throat nose tickle irritating shit only happens when I was mixing terps at high levels, 15-20%
Now imagine what some assholes % would be trying to make an extra $. Even w tasteless terp cutters this can get bad fast!
Ever loaded a cart w raw terps(bottled kind not hte) and/or tasteless terps cutters. I have was no bueno! Felt like micro Gremlins w pitch forks was rapping my throat for days. Got something similar from those fake bm carts that AlWays was over terps!
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Iâll throw this out there. If anyone is interested in funding it, or if we can crowd fund it, my lab can do an inhilation study on a few different samples and we can look for harmful compounds
Edit: typos out the ass
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I still believe that this is tobacco industrial espionage / fuckery to knock Juul out of the picture since they were doing way to well (kind of taking too much of the market share) and then hit the THC market that they have been positioning to take over. Thatâs why this has been pretty much a USA issue. And the reason it hasnât surfaced into the CBD realm is they havenât seen that as becoming much of a player in the vaping market.
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Altria (Phillip Morris) owns 35% of juul. They just fired one of the founders last week and replaced him with someone more suitable (Their own man) after dude addressed the vaping epidemic and denounced teens/non smokers from using the companies products
Edit: Altria has the lobbyists, the tobacco industry doesnât just sell cigarettes, they grow the nicotine that goes into the vapes. Cigarette sales are steadily decreasing while vaping numbers are skyrocketing. The tobacco industry is probably looking to at vapes as the future. Tobacco industry isnât trying to burn itself down
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FYI: the CDC includes âdabbingâ in their definition.
Which, if supported, suggests terpenes are a viable suspectâŚand may rule out âcutsâ entirely.
Of course it may simply be that many cart users also dab, or that the CDC is not using the terminology the way we do.
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I agree about misuse of the term dab.
When VAPI first started to get repoted in April/May, states and the CDC used the word âdabâ but I donât think they mean it the way we use it. I think it was IL that said one person was dabbing. At first most news reports only said dabbing, not vaping.
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Which might be why I get picky over terminologyâŚ
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Terminology matters, words are powerful, and missinformation kills
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In this case I agree. But in the other case youâre referring to, itâs a totally different sitation with what seems like different motives, which I wonât drag into this threadâŚ
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Great point. Thatâs why the other thread was written: to reduce the vast misinformation.