I just watched this video on Frenchy Canoli’s YouTube channel:
“Michael Backes and Frenchy talk Terpenes”- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZqJpVU-Iyc
Michael Backes indicates that Terpinolene & Limonene @ 1:1 combined with cannabinoids can produce a euphoric effect and induce laughing.
Has anyone had experience with combining those two terpenes at a one-to-one ratio?
I don’t know whether terpene isolates of Terpinolene and Limonene typically have a combination of isomers or if they are typically comprised of one isomer variant. I’m wondering if certain isomers of Terpinolene and Limonene are needed to achieve a euphoric, laughing effect and what those isomers are.
I’m considering making a vape solution with 1:1 CBG and CBD and then adding Terpinolene @ 2.5% and Limonene @ 2.5%.
I’m also considering making a version of the above vape solution which has a small amount of ~50% THC HTE added (maybe @ 7% of total content).
My goal is to make a THC free vape solution with 1:1 Terpinolene:Limonene and then a THC bearing version which has low THC content (3%-4%). Adding HTE would introduce THC along with small amounts of other terpenes, other cannabinoids, and flavonoids. I likely would also add more CBD and CBG 1:1 to dilute the solution so that total terpene content doesn’t exceed 5%.
I would like to make the vape solutions in order to test Michael Bakes’s assertion that cannabinoids combined with 1:1 Terpinolene and Limonene content can create a euphoric laughing effect.
Any insight about differences of effects due to variations of terpene isomers and other ideas would be appreciated.
Thank you!
I don’t know about effects but for flavor terpinolene is easily my favorite terpene. If you only do limonene with it you’ll have something that tastes like chemicals. Might be pleasant to some people. You can add some cannabis derived terpenes to the mix if you need it to be more balanced
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Thanks Alex. I’m not seeking a specific flavor nor the flavor of only one of the terpenes. I’m seeking the effects which Michael Backes described experiencing when he combined Terpinolene and Limonene at a 1:1 ratio. Here is what he said:
“…What I find when I’m formulating is certain terpenes definitely deliver very interesting effects. And if you go outside of what the plant can produce in a single plant and blend you can put things together that normally the plant doesn’t produce. The other for example terpinolene and limonene are very very rarely produced together. I mean you may see traces but you’d never see a terpene entourage that was fifty percent terpinolene to fifty percent limonene, but when you put them together it’s like mental healing.
You get this incredible euphoria and everything’s absurd and funny and it’s that kind of giggle weed effect that we used to look for and which I used to associate with a variety of cannabis called Plane Wreck. And when Plane Wreck disappeared from California and went to Colorado, I really missed it and so one of the things I do with my blending is I try to bring back you know, uh, I try to get terpenoline and limonene in the same room. Because when that room is my brain, I get this extraordinary euphoria. And that’s a combinatorial effect in combination with thc and it’s fun. I mean to me, the great thing about playing with terpenes is it’s like conducting a symphony when you control the terpene content by blending different cultivars together and and you get really different outcomes…”
Here is a version of the video which doesn’t require logging in. However, it’s missing the hardcoded subtitles that the newer version contains:
“Talking Terpenes”- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEFGUSrQiyg
Their discussion covers so much and it is absolutely brilliant. I recommend watching it for the other facets of their conversation as well. The more recent version linked my first post has hardcoded subtitles for easier discernment of Frenchy Cannoli’s portion. It’s worth logging into YouTube to watch it.
I love where your heads at. There are a lot of prominent researchers in cannabis who are on a similar path, such as Dr. Ethan Russo. The one bit of insight I’d offer is that you are entering a black hole. CBD and CBG are great, but what about all the other natural occurring neutral cannabinoids? Not to mention the plethora of terpenes. All of these compounds interact with one another in different, often unexpected ways. Shifting ratios can dramatically change effects. Sometimes its easy, such as 1:1:1 CBD:CBN:THC + Myrcene, linalool, etc is good for sleep. When you look at the combinations/permutations of ingredients, you’ll find you have a LOT of work ahead of you.
More often than not, we are just scratching the surface on an unoptimized example of the entourage effect. Its very difficult to objectively quantify effects and interactions of these compounds. Some organizations and research institutes are using EEG analysis to measure the psychoactive effects of various compounds but no serious large-scale clinical studies.
I liked Frenchy Canoli(RIP), but he was not a scientist- he was a charismatic, funny, interesting, and knowledgeable hash maker with extensive cannabis experience. I don’t believe he is qualified to make a blanket statement of 1:1 Terpinolene & Limonene can induce euphoria or laughter more than any other terpene blend. There’s no proof other than his word.
Be mindful about sourcing your material in R&D, as not all terpenes are created equal. Different manufacturers and suppliers will have dramatically different terpene isolates, even though they are labeled the same and high purity. “Freshness” matters, as terpenes degrade with time, heat, and light exposure. Extraction method matters. Source material matters. I’ve gotten limonene isolates that smell dramatically different from one another but both tested high purity.
Last bit of advice: Your formulation would probably crystalize. You need to maintain CBD & CBG <40%(each) to prevent auto-crystallization. Since your product is non-hemp, why not bump up the THC to 20%?
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Sounds like bro science to me.
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