Agreed. There’s also a ton of people who expect to be mentored instead of trained.
I understand wanting to work and grow, but at some point the conversation is not what the company can do for you, but what you can do for the company.
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You sound like someone that would call being underpaid a learning experience. Should we also address our bosses and interviewers as “your jobship”?
Fuck that bootlickery.
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This mindset is why companies are doing whatever possible to eliminate the need for employees.
Obviously when dealing with a huge corporate mso pump n dump scheme, where ceos and stockholders are getting rich on the futile efforts of the employees, there are serious issues.
But that mindset has trickled down to small mom and pop entrepreneurs, who are barely making ends meet.
The huge corporations just dump problem employees and cycle through the next batch.
Small mom and pop operations just do the work themselves.
Where does that leave unskilled, inexperienced workers, who actually do want to trade labor for experience, but aren’t worth minimum wage?
The best “job” I ever had was an unpaid mentorship under @Graywolf
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Maybe you’re in the position to turn down those sorts of arrangements because you have plenty of better opportunities. If so, great! It sounds like you’ve taken the right path in your career!
My advice is more tailored to the folks that don’t have those opportunities available, or have not worked to create those opportunities. In my humble opinion, it is arrogant to think you are above “corporate bootlickery” if you don’t have an alternative. Playing the corporate game is not demeaning as long as you keep your self interests in mind and only stay as long as it’s helping you move toward those goals. I’m absolutely NOT saying you should prostrate yourself and heap praise and loyalty on the corporate overlords.
The reality is that TONS of people want to get into this industry, and unless you have an alternative, you have to be ready to be competitive with the masses. That doesn’t mean you have to compromise your self interests.
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You know I said something like this before and got heckled by like 10 people.
I guess you’re probably just saying it louder 
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Not sure but i’m pretty sure it ends up with a bigger than usual hole in the ass
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That’s really not true in all cases. I’ve taught people with degrees to extract, and I’ve taught literal janitors how to extract.
If you treat people right, no matter the walk of life they come from, they will be thankful.
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That’s subjective. There are routinely beaten hookers that think their pimp treats them right. With the right conditioning you think anything is ok.
Agreeing what’s ‘ok’ across the board is a start…but then again…HAH THAT’LL NEVER HAPPEN
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Right…
If you’re being degraded, leave.
If you’re being taught valuable skills when you have zero experience for what some people perceive as “not enough money” then that’s a business agreement.
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Exactly. The worst job I ever had was minimum wage at a movie theater in college. I had minimal skills, only minimum wage shit job experience, it was the best I could do in 2010, but I needed the extra money so I sucked it up and did what I had to do.
That job pushed me to hustle harder to make more money and quit that life
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Who isn’t worth minimum wage? Jobs don’t give you experience, life does:
Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying, How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
~Proverbs 1:20-23
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I’ve got a couple examples for you…
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Don’t have minimum wage positions, then
Basic rules of capitalism:
You create value = you earn capital.
You don’t create value = you receive assistance.
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I don’t. Not having the positions doesn’t exclude me from knowing the individuals who would (not) fill them though…. Most of them are customers 
Then why do I keep meeting old men in minimum wage jobs?
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Who said that experience translates to value?
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So… “job experience” gives value?
Or is the equation experience + knowledge = value?
Or is it value = experience - stupidity?
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Every single skilled trade.
I have Ag businesses that trade labor for food at below minimum wage, because the costs of those goods is close to zero.
I have other traditional businesses that would need an employee to bring at least $25-30/hr in value to even be able to employ them without taking a loss, so I just do it all myself.
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Experience+knowledge-stupidity=
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