Seperating THC from our CBD distillate

It looks as simple as spools and tri-clamps. Maybe a little tig welding.

That plus a couple filter plates and you’re in business.

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Where’s is it?

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So after reading this thread I have a theory…any input would be great.

THC(A) - THC - Decarboxlation
THC - CBN - Oxidation

  • Since THC is known to oxidize to CBN during decarboxylation and it is way less stable than CBD. CBD is more of an antioxidant and able to hold degradation a little longer than THC. So is it possible to do an oxidative decarboxylation process and convert the THC-A right to CBN. When you preform the oxidative reaction. A byproduct should be a H20 - meaning that it should help protect the CBD from degradation.

I went and found a few catalyst that could potentially decarb and oxidize the THC and help form a protective layer for the CBD. I was wondering before i go down the rabbit hole further if you could tell me if am going in the right direction.

  • Hydrogen Peroxide. This produces H20, decarbs and oxidizes at the same time.
  • Silver Salts - you alluded to salts. I found this as a catalyst to the decarb process. Acidic salts?

With decarbing THC - after 70% has been decarbed. Studies show that you start to see the biosynthesis from THC to CBN. With the right temps, conditions and reactor as “cofactors” could you not use one these catalyst to hit that “tipping point” for the THC to CBN conversion while it’s decarboxylating?

It seems very similar to the pretreatment of lignocellulose bonds for lignin degradation to open up the polysaccharides/monosaccharides for ethanol and other chemical production.

Any help would be greatly appreciated far more than you can imagine.

BM

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As far as hydrogen peroxide, can’t add anything to your solution you can’t fully purge. I gotta imagine that’s going to be a bitch to fully remove

this might be an option.

they have smaller ones too. The LS version is about 65K with columns costing ya about 7k per each time you need to place em.

@anon93688 recommended not not to use hydrogen peroxide for it would damage a specific part of the molecule

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You’re posts are really solid man, please keep them up for the world!

Ah man, the posts are deleted. Did I miss out on some good info?

I agree i saved these post for future refrence and you delete them how so ?

@Roguelab @Krative My bad, guys! I didn’t get any feedback and felt like I wasn’t adding value or was just totally off. :confused: :owl: Feel free to dm me and I’ll be more than happy to help in any way I can. :slight_smile:

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I don’t think they can. Your public profile is hidden.

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Fixed :slight_smile:

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Anyone been able to selectively turn THCa into a salt?

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I have yet to do this, however, I have been considering a few different O-chem methods to accomplish this. At first I was thinking there has to be a way to use an acid base liquid/liquid extraction, but I researched that and it seems not to work so well.

Then I remembered reading an article in an O-chem forum where somebody way smarter than me was discussing the consulting he does with pharmaceutical companies and that scaling reactions was completely different going from university research to Pharma. That most biochemists are used to working with new technology so they dont use older methods and newer chemists also tend to focus on technology based solutions. However, in real world application the technique regularly used to seperate compounds is known as “salting-out”. There are a million salts and one of them is going to bind stronger to alcohol than THC does. By by THC. Rinse it away. Weeeeee.

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Are these so cheap?

Give me some diamonds and I’ll try it out

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Done and done. DM me

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Mike from @labsociety and I had success salting out THCa, I’ll dig up the SOP and share

THCA

200 g of dried (or ca. 600 g of fresh) flowering tops and leaves of Cannabis sativa (THC type of the “white widow” variety) are extracted with 2 L of isopropanol at <40c. Next the undissolved plant components are removed by filtration. Then the alcohol volume is reduced to ~200 ml by distillation at reduced pressure. 300 ml of heptane is then added to the isopropanol solution. The organic phase is washed twice with 500 ml of 1% saline to remove the alcohol.

This first extract is stirred with 1 L of aqueous 0.1 M sodium hydroxide solution and 1% saline to stop emulsions. Test the pH of the aqueous layer. pH should equal 13.

This second, aqueous extract is separated and treated with a solution of 15 g of citric acid in 150 ml water, whereupon the cannabinoid carboxylic acids precipitate as an oil. Test the pH of the solution. pH should equal 2.

By addition of 2x200 ml heptane and stirring, a third extract is now prepared. Removal of the organic phase and evaporation under reduced pressure at 40° C. yields 15.7 g of an oily residue, which 80% consists of a mixture of the THC acids A and B.

15.7 g of a ca. 80% mixture of THC acids A and B are dissolved in 150 ml isopropanol with stirring and 8.0 g of dicyclohexylamine are added with stirring. 24 hrs stirring at 0°C. produces a thick white precipitate of the dicyclohexylamine salts of the cannabinoid carboxylic acids. Cooling to -10°C with stirring is sometimes necessary to help fully precipitate all salts out of solution. After suction filtration, washing with 50 ml cold isopropanol and drying, 18.7 g of dicyclohexylamine salt of the THC acids with a content of 91% are obtained.

18.7 g of dicyclohexylamine salt of THCA A and B with a content of 91% THC acids in the cannabinoid content are dissolved with stirring in 150 ml of boiling absolute ethanol, and cooled immediately after dissolution has occurred. Stir overnight at 0° C to crystallize out. Cooling to -10°C with stirring is sometimes necessary to help fully precipitate all salts out of solution. Suction filter the white precipitate formed and wash with 50 ml cold absolute ethanol. Yield: 15.5 g of pure white salt with a content of >97% of THC acids (A and B) in the cannabinoid content.

15.0 g of recrystallized dicyclohexylamine salt of the tetrahydrocannabinolic acids A and B are suspended in 200 ml water and over layered with 200 ml hexane. 4 g of citric acid are now added and the mixture stirred until the cannabinoid carboxylic acid salt has completely dissolved. Test the pH of the aqueous phase. pH should equal 2.

The aqueous phase, which now contains the citrate of dicyclohexylamine, is separated and discarded. The hexane phase, which now contains the free tetrahydrocannabinolic acids, is successively washed once with 50 ml of 1% citric acid and three times with 50 ml portions of water. After evaporation of the hexane phase on the water bath at 40° C. under reduced pressure, 9.8 g of amorphous residue of the two positional isomeric tetrahydrocannabinolic acids remain.

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We were playing around with DES at the same time, so we subbed that nasty amine with choline chloride (didn’t work) and ammonia (worked decently)

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