And you’re still selling their gas with possibility of it being tainted regardless of what you think, or what the 1 lab you went to told you. Your people will NEVER fractionate to the degree that we need. It’s a fact! They could care less about us, and our industry, and yet you still sell try to peddle their gas to us.
And you wonder why your integrity is being called into question…*
I think he’s being more open than any other gas salesmen…
But still a gas salesman all the same
Yes
But people in this industry need gas, yo.
Even the rosin peoples use electricity which comes from coal or nuclear shit, unless they have solar panels.
At least he appears to be trying to identify the problem,
I don’t know if @GasGuy-QEG fpund the old coa with propylene…
@Dred_pirate already said the situation can be mitigated with x13 beads…
Just sayin’
I do know there has been an influx in the presence of propylene. Over a years ago it was under 1ppm, in the beginning of all this when I checked it had bumped up to 5-7 ppm, average,
Oh I’m not complaining, trust me. Everybody knows me well enough to know when I’m pissed off! Truly frustrated with the whole situation, and it certainly isn’t his fault because he didn’t create it, and yes you’re right, he is at least trying. I remember a day when we rewarded people for doing something, not for trying
I shouldn’t call your integrity into question…. I just feel like there’s some pretty easy numbers to look at and you’re not using what you clearly have at hand to answer some of these easy questions we’ve all been digging at.
I apologize for being salty…. You’ll have that being fickle and all
If you get it directly from GI, hmu, we can get you identical supply for competitive rates. just my 2¢ 
Spoke with our engineer on the propylene. He told me we have never seen a peak between propane and isobutane when analyzing C3 or C4’s. Our GC reports are typically not kept after purity of the butane in our tanks has been verified. I only have a couple of these in-house GC reports available, dated 9.20, 9.27 and 11.29.
9.20 T-1.pdf (66.8 KB)
9.27 T2.pdf (113.2 KB)
11.29 T-3.pdf (78.3 KB)
The only other GC reports we have available are from recent 3rd party testing. I posted one of those yesterday.
I guess I’m confused. Are you saying your testing shows no sign of propylene present in the n butane you sell?
While I can only speak for the butane we have here at our plant, there is no propylene in it.
Perhaps that is the confusion. Curious though when we are seeing it go from 1 to 7 ppm would you expect to see it at say 5 ppm if that were a problematic level? If you are claiming your gas has no propylene and we suspect that could be the culprit that could be a great data set.
Anyone here running your gas that can confirm no quick crash?
If you can confidently say your gas has no propylene down to 1 ppm I’ll pay for a set of tanks to try immediately.
Not sure just what customers are doing with they gas they buy from us, but we’ve received no negative feedback from users or resellers of our gas. Even though our engineer confirmed that no peak = no propylene, I put a call into the 3rd party lab to make certain. Affirmation from them seems in order. I’ll revert with their feedback.
This was my thought. It’s crystallized differently because it went from a single (or known) solvent to dual solvent or solvent with unknown properties.
Using process of elimination on the inputs it had to be either solvent, IPM, or fertilizer.
He agreed, writing:
Yes, propylene comes out between propane and isobutane on this column. I would say, based on the chromatograms, that we did not see any evidence of propylene in the Butane samples.
So I recently started having issues with the fast crashing and the medusa stones. Right before the holidays I realized my gas was acting funny. I came back, did 2- 100 pound runs and test poured a few jars to see what I was working with. Sure enough almost immediately after pouring they either started crashing or growing medusa stones. Craziest and fastest shit I’ve ever seen. Took me a little over an hour to figure out how to counter act what was happening. I just finished pouring the last 100 pound run not long ago, no fast crash yet. It’s on its way in not the oven. I’ll report back of anything weird happens or if it doesn’t. But it all seems to be good now.
if your stones grow square they will medusa. There seems to be a temp range that if placed there immediatly can stop the medusa stones. But if you let it crash at anything colder then 75 it will medusa forsure. So crazy that it is taking some of you guys so long to finally see what we have been struggling with for almost a year now.
Video was taken about 16 to 18 hours after pouring. There is no visible crash or medusa stones growing. You definitely have to avoid those cooler temperatures, something is making the tane react extremely odd(colder), bringing a whole new set of interesting challenges. I’ll report on how they grow once I get them started but I am confident they will be normal.
This was from the Massachusetts plant
Less than two days after the pour and zero Medusa and fast crashing. Proper looking structures already forming