Im new here and tryin to collect the needed info.
So i have read alot about soaking time and needed ratio butane needed for a blast.
My question is
If soaking,is the same ratio of butane needed with a 1:10 biomass x Butane
And if so. How much is needed to soak.
All of it. Or is some left to push the product out.
Hope my question came out right.
It is kind of difficult to understand your question. Can you re-phrase it?
It seems like you are asking about how much butane to use based on the weight of the flower in the extraction column.
Can you describe your process and equipment, maybe step by step?
Even include pics if you can.
You are open blasting, right?
FAFO?
…cause it depends on your input
I have a 1lbs closed loop.
And want to do live resin.
As i read for a blast you need 10 x amount of butane vs biomass. Or is it something i have read wrong
But if soaking. Do i need all the butane. for instance 50 % of the total amount of butane need. If its 10 times the amount of frozen flower
This is one of those things that can vary pretty significantly between batches of biomass.
10:1 is almost certainly too much solvent, but some people refuse to go lower.
5:1 is typically my sweet spot between extraction yield and throughput
3:1 is about where you start losing significant extraction efficiency (% of cannabinoids extracted vs % cannabinoids left behind)
These are all for dry material. Fresh frozen, anything over 5:1 is overkill.
That’s just my $0.02
Oh I thought this was a thread about being Mormon.
Carry on.
Sometimes its hard to be a noob. And technical terms. Dont always work in my translation.
Sorry God
Mormon god doesn’t seem like he wants us to have much fun
So what you are asking is why soak with the same amount of solvent vs not soak.
Time & temp will be the main determining factor in what is dissolved. The colder it is, the longer it takes for the same mass of solvent to dissolve a solute - or the more solvent you will need to achieve a complete extraction.
The second factor is your blend. Higher propane ratio will need more solvent or a hotter temp to dissolve an equal portion to that of higher butane ratio. This is also the basics to cold crasing THCa isolate. 
Third factor is the potential of extracting impurities that you didn’t want in your product (flavanoids, pigments, etc.). Cold extraction typically keeps waxes locked up in the bio, essentially “crashed out”. Flavonoids and pigments though may still be soluble at the lower temperatures.
I have played with all of these concepts only to find that solvent @ temp can only dissolve so much. Which at that point you need to increase your ratio.
We typically see a 3:1 to 5:1 with butane heavy blends up to 10:1 to 20:1 with propane heavy blends for dry bio. But butane will pull more impurities that you do not want, while propane will pull less. Both solvents pull carotenoids due to polarity. Molecular chain length determines what it will be most effective at extracting…
Live and dry run about the same due to all the factors, live is faster due to the water weight. You will see a 10lb column run clear in 1-5 minutes for live vs 5-20 dry (system dependant).
The speed at which you extract is based on the mass of solvent you can move per minute. Our largest unit can move up to 40lbs/min of butane or 70lbs/min of propane: The R800.
We highly suggest a 70/30 propane heavy blend with our units. It is very advantageous.
Make sure your system is rated for propane before using propane!
This is why I have gone with cycling solvent (patented) vs soak or direct pass over the bio. Its not much different than your refrigerator, which re-uses the same refrigerant over and over. But it is also closer to a CO2 extractor than your traditional BHO system.
Increasing the extraction pressure (patented) helps with making sure you get a complete extraction, 10-20psi in the column over the basin is enough to ensure complete extraction. We do this with the extraction compressor, compressing the solvent into the extraction column. We run cold and high ratio due to our unique process.
This is essentially a “cycle-soak” as I would call it. The solvent condenses on the bio and extracts from within the bio. Basically condensing inside of the bio and washing downwards through the column, and because we are cycling we essentially have “unlimited” solvent until we are done with extraction.
Thank you for that answer.
Have to read it a couple of times…
You were looking for a CLS a couple of weeks ago, great to hear that you have upgraded.
Seeking info on closed loop - Hash and Stuff / Extraction - Future4200
Like @TheGratefulPhil suggested, do not put a pound of fresh frozen and 10 pounds of butane in there.
You have been given some guidance directly from the best. You have more research to do before you run. Can you reply with your game plan, including safety steps.
Thank you @WorkingOnIt
The kit is first arriving in about 6 weeks or so.
So i am gathering all info i need now before doin first run.
And yes i know i need to do more research.
And have allready read alot in here.
Also from graywolfslair.
But questions will always pop up.
Regardless of the ratio you land on, you’ll want to send enough solvent to soak the material and then flush with the remaining volume. Soaking under pressure will help as well. Don’t overfill your column during the soak. If you close it off 100% full, the pressure may rise to a dangerous level.
5:1 is a good ratio for throughput. I’d probably bump that up if it was just for personal on a 1 pound system though.
Almost makes sense to evaluate extraction ratios based off of THCA:Solvent
Or simply run solvent over biomass until the sensor says you got it all (pity @arometrix got that wrong)…
I’ve had a saturation detection function for many years with our white light sensor and it works great…
I actually use this to detect when terpenes as well as cannabinoids were done extracting. This is how I determined originally how long to extract our columns for, since we are cycling solvent, and then scaled proportionally to the compressors.
You just zero the light to the solvent at the beginning of the run for baseline then you watch the intensity change to the maximum absorption at the peak of the run. Then you watch that maximum absorption come back down to your solvent saturation level at the beginning.
There is your 0 to 100% complete extraction detection.
We will be releasing another version of it here soon so everyone can have it on their machine. It will be the foundational framework for automation with all of our systems.
All molecules absorb light but only some fluoresce light.
“Fluorescence Is Conditional: Absorption is universal, but fluorescence depends on the molecule’s ability to emit light after excitation, which is not universal and relies on specific relaxation pathways.”
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