Maybe not virgin gas but the second I extract with any gas it picks up and holds some terps no matter what.
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Have you tried slightly lower temps? Itās my belief there is kind of a sweet spot when your growing crystals and there is a temp when you should be doing very little, to no nucleating of new crystals only getting growth on existing structures. Anyone please feel free to chime in and correct me or add on here.
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What temp do you like for that, I know room temp and lower makes large stones, but they take longer,
And NOT disturbing will help tons!
Hell I started after running out dry ice last time after 10hrs, they small runs so donāt take as long, made chunks, no heat just in the closet!
But Iām curious to actually find out some that info about best temps
I can too, the moment I walk into the room, even when itās outside, itās actually loud smell tooā¦ Not like rotten eggs loud, but its distinct smellā¦ Itās a distinct smell inthe air for sure without a doubt!!!
I donāt tell any difference btw pure N and a blended either, itās that same damn smell!
My wife agrees!
itās a very slight smell. honestly thatās how I know my lines are vented when having to move from recovering from the tank to recovering from the tube on the modular. I nose check it a few times and watch for the light distortions. almost like heat waves.
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you might be lettingto much pressure out. crystal size and evaporation rate go hand in hand. the fasteryou evap the smaller formations youāll have. for this tek you want a good amount of outside built up. I am working on a no pressure tek. but thatās gonna be a little while. building out the new lab now.
How do I know if itās to much pressure though in the jar? I thought if there was to much pressure it wouldnāt crash out
The pressure encourages crystal growth as the liquid THCA will reorganise into a more condensed lattice structure (crystallise) as a way of counteracting the pressure build up in the vessel. Thus increasing the pressure helps shift the equilibrium of liquid vs solid THCA towards the solid side of the equation.
The only reason you would have too much pressure in a jar is because of the risk of that jar exploding! The pressure build up from the solvent vapours will not prevent or negatively impact the crystallisation process and may speed it up.
There was talk earlier on in this thread of pressurising with an inert gas such as nitrogen to speed up crystallisation but I donāt think anyone posted actual pressures that had been tested. This is something I am hoping to test in the near future. The only downside I can think of is if the increased pressure will drastically increase the nuclearion rate of our crystals which would produce large numbers of small crystals. I have a feeling that there will be a āsweet spotā combination of pressure and temperature for maximum growth rate with minimised nicleatipn rate to give large clear crystals in the most efficient time frame possible. Only time will tellā¦
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Iāve seen the mirage effect from gas, my nose seems to be dead to the smell of un oderized gas.
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I said this somewhere else too but anyways:
The amount of solvent left will not effect the pressure in the jars/vessel. The pressure build up is dependant only on the temperature of the solvents and the specific mix of solvents and their relative vapour pressures at a given temperature.
The reason to make sure enough solvent has evaporated is to ensure the solution is supersaturated and will begin to crystallise given time and appropriate temperatures and pressures
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Otscc,
Thanks so much for being so open and willing to help others with your knowledge!!
So you donāt want the cold crystals to dissolve? I thought theyāll eventually dissolve in the heating at 80f in vac oven phase? I have a -86c lab freezer and have left jars for 2-4 days with no thca bloom like i see in the photos? Iāve even done jars in submerged in cryo napalm for 2-3 days and no thca bloom. I get seperation, and then clear layer at bottom from room temps. I have formed large and small crystals, but I canāt get the amount of growth like I see others are getting. Seems like I should be getting much more crystals?
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I am no expert but as for not seeing an initial crystal bloom, I would guess that you may have a bit too much solvent left in solution and hence when you get it down to cryo temps even though the THCA solubility is greatly reduced there is an excess of solvent that can still retain the THCA in solution.
As far as not getting the yield you expect all I can say is to test the input product for THCA percentage and weigh the material in and crystals out. You can then compare the amount of THCA in the plant matter you extract with the mass of crystals you collect and see if there is a discrepancy. If there is missing product it would most likely either be dissolved in the high terpene fraction or left behind on the extracted material.
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Do you get a white sand? Thatās the most i ever get in cryo, and itās all on the bottomā¦
Iām starting to think itās the amount they are running, a shit ton!
and if itās not that then their starting material must be wonder bud, one hit wonder where the fuck you are!!
ā¦ And mine dissolvez everytime! Even at room temp no oven!
And yes everytime my terp fraction almost always every bit crystallizes during itās cap
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Continuing the discussion from Only The Strong sauce tek:
So Iāve been making great diamonds with the tek and for whatever reason thatās about all I have going atm. Iām really trying to get my end product to have those terps that look just as fluid as water when you move the jar. Crusaderog on instagram has the most proper and gorgeous looking sauce Iāve seen and thatās what I want to shoot forā¦but currently mine come out thick, like mega thickā¦ sometimes even opaque and almost looking to sugar out. Anyone got ideas on where I might be missing something? I feel like itās all looking great until I pour off and try to purge ā¦ hereās a photo of the THCa I pulled out from the last run, Iāll post the so called terps when I get off work later
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Are you getting the column, material and solvent at cryo temps? Waxes could be your culprit
Does it happen with multiple strain, those Diamonds are beautiful regardless!
I get clear golden runny terps but they still take second to move down the jar bc I donāt have the amounts that these guys have, if you have any major jar, youāll have major terp layer according to the strain of course,
And as far having terps just as like water mine never are
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Thanks! Iām super happy with how the diamonds are forming and I can somewhat consistently get them to a pretty large size like in the photos so I feel like Iām pretty set with that part however I do think waxes might be the culprit as wellā¦ I used a 1lb true dewax cls but my material column is not jacketed and really Seem to have trouble keeping temps as low as Iād like. Also if I can achieve a optimum low temp I have the problem of not being able to get my solvent to pass into my collection base from the column because the collection base canāt get cold enoughā¦ I know I should probably use some nitrogen assistance and that would probably help a lot but atm Iām on a budget so Iām trying to deal with what I have. I typically dewax for about 1.5 hours on an average run and thatās dry ice only if I try to get it colder with iso or acetone itās just way too cold and then Iām back to not being able to fill pull all the solvent to the base.
Also when I mix and do a multiple strain run it definitely seems to be more worse off than doing single strain runs.
I tried telling a buddy the same thing, that the water consistency is only what someoneās showing via photo but he insists itās real and that thereās a method to produce itā¦ crusaderog or green dot labs does a damn fine job at making their work look like itās in water and so does the diamond Barron so Iām gunna still be on the hunt for answers lol.
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Dimond barron uses thc distillate āwater clearā mixed with terps. Thatās why it looks so clear. A while ago someone was testing his extracts. That came back at 1% hexane! Not ppm folks!
His dimonds look good, but I wouldent pay a cent for them.
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Wax thatās your answer , sound like you said you are not getting super cold column, material, solvent, your getting a ton plant matter
I didnāt understand what let e your system is dewaxed? An inline?
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I guess I was really just trying to explain that my CLS has a dewax column thatās jacketed but not a material column so getting temps super cold throughout the entire system is somewhat difficult
Get a jacketed material column then you can soak your material as well. I soak for 2 45 min intervals then a wash. But you wanna seal in the mono and sequinterpenes and they need time. Also if you use acetone and dry ice in your material jacket, it gets colder then alcohol, which seals in more terpenes. Just watch the reaction when the solvent gets in the column, can cause a violent boil of the acetone cooling bath! (Itās just overflows). Alcohol cooling bath has a lot less of the reaction but itās still there. Just donāt fill the jacket to the top with acetone!
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