Honestly
This needs to be settled by a game 3v3 basketball. Summit vs XD.
C suit vs C suit. Winner takes IP.
Id be willing to let you guys eve use my basketball court at my house. I’ll even put you guys up for free.
Glg event?
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Well you would think right?
I was able to pull lower micron on the hk head. Im not sure why or how as they where setup the exact same. One could blame the grease job but it was pretty consistent results every test.
Too bad disty died for me before i could test the silvered version.
Technically its his “ip” but his head wasnt the same result
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Nice head… shit comments… all around.
I can see similarities… but again, its all he said/he said bullshit. No ones helping that. Ans instead of being productive… this is what people do. More and more i find just keeping to myself on my page to be the way to do it.
Ace pissed me off for a few very specific reasons, including complete copy of a genuine Original design while having given me the finger a few years back… but this is overkill, both parties have been in the industry since the get go and its an old rivalry… no one wins with how everyone has been commenting.
“You took the red crayon!”
“No i didnt”
No ones right, it comes down to our own person bias… then everyone stands around egging them on with small comments and nudges…
Fight, kiss, fuck, i dont care… but its just unnecessary.
Oh and it does go 80L/hr or could… if the boiling flask was big enough to support more then 10L, and you could drain the reservoir fast enough to show it… by the time the drain catches up youve only pumped out 50L… the internal tube of the basin had to be cut down because it was completely removing the ethanol before the disty could make it out. And plugging up… 
maybe bigger tube.
So youd have to physically pump with diaphragm/peristaltic/gear pump and be pushing worms and spray farting pure ethanol to keep up with more solvent heating… its maxed out… the coils keep up no problem… but againz at a ratio of 5:1-8:1… making a full 80L/hr or ramping too that speed, the run would be done before you got there.
Its fucking fast and has a great design that takes that preheating stage concept and seemlessly adds it into the bath. The runs were only done at 65C… i run my roto at 120C… my 50L shits ethanol faster then my chiller can keep up with… so imagine the summit one at 120C… with that tube you could probably inline decarb as well. Theres limited rejection as well due to the straight pathway. Alot of times high flow will have some alcohol or solvent drop back down into the bump catch section… this is nullified.
If anything its a limitation of surface area to keep up, and maintaining an actual flow through the coil without clogging
Sorry for taking over your post allen with some info, i just saw that and was like… i wonder if anyone knows whats different there.
Good luck everyone, im going to go rip another 35L… and make some room for a new set of machines… getting cramped in here.
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If everyone wants to actually do this idea of a testing session…
Heres the rules if i were to make them.
Need a single building, all rooms or room has same power voltage ie 238v (yes it matters)
Each team will call out needs for power. Ie 65 amps 220v 30 amps 110v
One size flask for the bf… ie 10 or 20L
No team shall peak or give hints on any gear used in their test until the day of. Use what you bring. No running back for more gear after arriving.
All gear used must be from their setup, ie mantle, glass, chillers, heaters stir bar
Beyond glass, any manifold array may be used, but pumps must be from pumps the company typically offers.
Systems may be elaborate and not the standard. This is a drag race for pinks… do what you do best, design for speed.
All material will be from the same batch, unwinterized, non decarbed bho… the hardest of the hard… lets see who can handle that…
Same weight in each flask, all prep work done by team members. No discrimination for time taken to fill and setup.
I can bring my summit, and can supply crude… we need a space in cali. Filming will be permitted but physical parties will be limited to 3 people per team, ref and 3 assistants for watching and questions.
Disqualifications based on system failure, or failure to produce a purified product.
Were going for speed of removal, not potency. If we want to do a second pass test. We can do that at a later time.
Fuck drama, rip it…
For second pass, all teams have 1 week to purify and get material ready for second pass. All rules apply, but different gear may be used. Ie hb-1 vs hb-2 head.
Quality in second pass graded on color and potency.
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Alternate plan, one location. Each team goes in and does their run in front of the judges and no one else… no vids or info is released until all 3 teams have run.
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Or someone completely unbiased does all the runs. But i doubt companies would sponser that. But that is the best way. 1 operator. All the rigs. No operator variance so no variable there.
Whats to say you cant make better disty on ace head then he can
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In order for this to work right there needs to be as little variable as possible.
Same crude. Same room. Same power. Same size spd. Chillers should be what is sold with the spd with whatever the company tells you to use for fluid. Same with pumps.
Same vac guages on all spds. Same amount of cold traps. Same length of bellows going from pump to cold traps. Same kf25 to 24/40 adapters on all rigs.
This would and should be like how @Killa12345 said. Like a motorcycle magazine shootout for bike of the year. You cant have yamaha and honda do the review as they will say theirs is the best 100% of the time.
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Yeah, operator is a huge variable I’d say.
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No, unbiased doesnt count… because if the company makes the gear. Then they have a best team to do it… its only fair because there are particular sops no matter the gear… that needs to be followed… it makes zero sense to put a novice on each system. Because if theyre not a novice then their bias… and this is competition, of course theres bias. You dont tell a golfer everyone plays with the same clubs… no matter the height or technique… the competition is speed of removal. Or lowest points in the case of golf.
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Also… all the things you mentioned, i already said. We need a location. Nothing more.
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Nobody said put a novice on them but ok
You know operator is a huge variable which is why you want to do it
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If theyre not a novice then theyre bias… each team… each system. Let em do it… rules are pretty fair other then starting material, i can see where that would matter… if youre going to modify bellow lengths… first off you cant… some systems sit higher then others…
If the actual teams can agree on the terms. Then im game. Spend all afternoon putting limitations on me and im out.
The main thing is the thing in question is the head and system design… not the pumps or bellows… same gauges is fine for vac but the digis notoriously read high after they dirty just a little bit… so theyd need to be fully tested before.
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If i put someone in charge of my system who hasnt ran it more then 10 times… theyd for sure fuck it up or be slow.
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Why do you think if they are not novice they are biased?
Do you not think there is more then capable people running gear they dont want to because of their boss.
I know im capable and only biased to what works best. But im not trying to do this anyway.
I know theres more people that only care about what works best. The thing is these tests are supposed to be tested on a normal real life application to see throughout. We dont want the people that know how to manipulate their gear a certain way. We want to know whats best for the consumer. Not whats best with a full team of people running it that designed it. I stand with my statement. 1 operator not associated with any party is going to be the only 100% method
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Exactly my point.
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Its a simple put up or shut up drag race… big block engines, sticky tires… you use what you need to get down the track… the track (power voltage) is the same for everyone.
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This isnt about you. Its the company. Every company has their bench tester… or should, if they dont… they should.
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Thats not true… no competition does that… drivers drive their car in nascar… not some random team. We teach manipulations for the gear… and there are always tricks to annnnny system that should be used. Each head has a particular sweet spot for best quality/speed, arguing this point is dumb.
Let the companies decide if they want to be a part of this. I speak for summit on the concept.
No. This isnt about you. I see your antsy and want to run your gear to prove a point. We get it. We get you make good disty also. This is about the gear. Not the operator
How do you not see my point?