New OLCC rules for artificially derived cannabinoids and CRC

So strange they single out reactions via crc and not in a boiling flask or a reactor where people actually purposefully isomerize cannabinoids. And ac does cause isomerization :joy:
As usual a big swing and a miss by government.
So in Oregon do they not have d8 vapes for sale at every glass shop like Cali does?

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They’re for sure not singling out CRC reactions when it comes to regulating isomers. Did you read the rest of the compliance bulletin?

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It’s crazy reading the comments on blacklist and seeing how misinformed the general public is in regards to crc. Some are generally unsure and can be educated, while others take on very extreme views. These are usually the rosin people. It is almost impossible to get them to sway their opinion, and that’s ok because I don’t need to please everyone. However, these people are often loud like a chihuahua yapping away and are bound to spread disinformation.

All that being said pretty sure u can make trace amounts of isomers from crc bho. This may be able to be considered naturally occurring isomers in such small amounts however.

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Here are some good reads. The terpenes do isomerize a bit depending on which media you use and what type of acid it’s been activated with. I noticed this when testing every media on its own to see what each mineral does. That’s what led me to come out with the different Ws and ChloroSorbs at different pH levels and types of activation to give the user more control of the outcome when applying crc into their process

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324142551_Catalytic_isomerization_of_a-pinene_oxide_in_the_presence_of_acid-modified_clays

http://bibliotecadigital.uns.edu.ar/pdf/laar/v32n2/v32n2a05.pdf

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It’s the science that scares and discourages them.

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The million dollar question is, what is OLCC’s testing standard and threshold for detecting “artificially derived cannabinoids”?

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Chemical activation of a media goes beyond just using the media for filtration. It starts to get tricky drawing the line between synthesis and filtration, in my opinion.

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Do you mean because all cannabis is federally illegal?

More that most d8 is still hot and people are still being arrested for it

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I don’t think d8 is even an issue with people openly selling converted d9 disty and claiming it’s legal due to the farm bill

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No I didn’t but I do see the first thing they mention is a CRC column for creating isomers which is probably the last place I would go if I were trying to do it on purpose.

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@cyclopath do we know if OLCC is opening contents or taking clarifying questions?

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Dude seeing industry people who have made big contributions just talk out their ass is funny af. Like I don’t want to think about how powerzup doesn’t know what organic means every time I blaze the payton but I will now. :skull:

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Haven’t seen any arrests for those gummies yet🤷‍♂️

I like the idea of the mother liquor ones, the conversions are pushing it for sure

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Not talking about gummies. I’m talking about people selling 85%+ converted d9 liters as a legal product under the farm bill

I wonder how many are getting the residual solvent out of the mother liquor ?

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This one time, at hemp camp…

We used to remediate our distillate (200g at a time) using a Flash 150. All the THC fractions were put into a 250 gal 1000L tote.

I busted my ass with 2 50L rotovaps, vac-ovened it, and ran it all through a WF. Took a couple days with just me in the lab.

Got maybe half a liter of 90+% D9 distillate. Out of 250 gal of THC fractions.

Of note: We were running @seth Oregon CBD genetics, really not much THC in those strains lol

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They are NOT.

They are trying to say “listen bitch, you MIGHT fuck up and create isomers with CRC. Don’t do that. We don’t tolerate isomers”.

Motherfucker deliberately making isomers doesn’t need called out. They know damn well they ain’t playing by the fucking rules.

It really depends which media(s) you’re using and how you’re using them. Rumor has it that W1 might be problematic. I’m sure there are others which will prove problematic.

In order to ding us for isomerizing terpenes, legislators would first have to require TESTING for terpenes, so I suspect just keeping cannabinoid isomerization to a min by not running too warm or using anything with residual acid in there will keep them happy for a bit.

@Sidco_Cat
As far as opening for comments, I don’t know. I was told the wording had been updated on their website, and an email clarification would go out.

As far as they are concerned, this is just an update about the way things ARE.

Were I to paraphrase:

“Artificially created cannabinoids” are verboten in the rec market.

If you make them accidentally today or tomorrow, you’ve got 6 months to move that shit.

Just so you know; some CRC media may cause you to fail for “artificial cannabinoids”.

Thought y’all should know.

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Here is the reply I just received from Steven Crowley at the OLCC with the newly worded rule.

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Yep. per Mr Crowley.

Edit: Here’s the (now correct) updated PDF on their website

Also linked at top of thread now (@pdxcanna)

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Spirit of the law and whatnot…

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