Micro-crystalline THCa in trichomes?

[Mapleleafsmoker]

Hydrocarbon extractions when completed properly leak almost entirely the structure of keef and stalks in place however due to the extraction process the thca and terps are rendered lost and extracted from the biomass. What is left is a incredible amount of “stale” carbohydrates and some salts even. This is why when you complete a hydrocarbon extraction everything that comes out looks way more keefy and dusty than it went in. Most of it has been dislodged or ultra dried plant matter.

That extra work you did, you didn’t really extract viable THC keef, you extracted dud keef and carbohydrates, and some waxes fat and lipids left behind in the dud heads.

Sorry not sorry.

[envee]

@WolfeXtracts

Dude…are you a troll or do you actually believe your own hype?

50/50.

@WolfeXtracts

Then you didn’t have a pile of heads, you almost certainly extracted stalks. The heads and capitate stalks would’ve been 90% wiped by eve a decent butane extraction.

Heads and stalks, i collected the remaining trichome “husks” and they were completely incapable of bonding. I found that and still find that to be fascinating. Trichomes are incapable of bonding in the absence of moisture, heat or pressure pre-extraction and post extraction they are completely incapable of bonding.

The bonding is a result of rupturing, indefinitely.

To me that was definitive proof that water extraction is damaging to the structure of the trichome, the minute amounts of minors and extreme volatiles are lost to water extraction or even exposure to moisture.

The perfect extract doesn’t involve water… but some cool things can be created using watered down trichomes…

In the complete absence of heat or pressure the only way i’ve managed to bond dry trichomes is with the addition of moisture, it was interesting to see that post extraction the same bonding could not occur.

I have spent months and months and months of my time observing and manipulating the bonding of trichomes, even delving into how to strengthen the bond, which I achieved with greatness.

Trichome encapsulated water drop:

This is the resulting pile of moistened trichomes:

They bond incredibly well when moistened:

Vs trying to bond them dry:

The purpose of that? It lead to the creation of a fully stable hash wrap that is as brittle as a brick. I achieved stability.

Wrap:

Roll:

Dehydrated:

That tube is as hard as a stick of cinnamon, even while burning it remains brittle. I don’t think you understand how much work was involved in such a feat. Go take your pile of dust and make it into a cylindrical shape that has structural integrity using only the plant and some water.

I figured out how to effectively shape and harden hash by solely focusing on the manipulation of trichomes.

I only discovered this by fucking around with trichomes from both available and spent materials, there is merit to my nonsense whether you see it or not and i will continue to fuck around.

@WolfeXtracts

You trying to act like washing pre extracted material was some sort of ground breaking experiment is fucking hilarious.

It was, i guarantee i am the first person to have created a tube of hash filled with flower that is as brittle as brick. I effectively created the most structural stable hash anyone has ever seen.

I accomplished something from doing all i did, this includes washing spent material.

Thanks for being a dick.

[Roguelab]

@envee

that is as brittle as brick. I effectively created the most structural stable hash anyone has ever seen.

adding water to spent biomass is basicly hempcrete bonded by sugars

[moronnabis]

I was just about to mention the “hempcrete aspect when I saw your note. there must be some special silica/lignin/protein structure left in the solvent washed “hulls”. When press between the thumb and fore-finger the hull material has a silk-like “hand”.

It should be noted that there are caves in India , where the walls were “stucco-finished” with a gesso material that included Hemp flower material. These walls were finished to smooth plaster and later used as a base for tempura like artistic painting . The wall art is exposed to the elements for the past 1500 years without curation and remains in existence in relatively good form. It is considered quite a mystery. So I would say we have to give @envee a bit of credit here for his work with this material. When I first read the discription of this ancient Indian recipe for “gesso” , the reference was vague and only describing marijuana flowers.
The original work, on the plaster is below ref. 2.
I am beginning to think that Envee has rediscovered some component of Marijuana flowers responsible for the concrete-like aspect. I have actually attempted to bind (pre-extracted) ghost Hulls of trichome stalks with cyanoacrylate super glues…but unsuccessfully…

Ref:
1.)
CANNABIS/Weed has preserved ancient Indian artwork in the sacred Ellora Caves for 1,500 years | Sanskriti - Hinduism and Indian Culture Website
2.). https://www.researchgate.net/publication/297344429_Cannabis_sativa_Cannabaceae_in_ancient_clay_plaster_of_Ellora_Caves_India

2. Is scientific analysis of the plaster

[envee]

@Roguelab

adding water to spent biomass is basicly hempcrete bonded by sugars

I need to clarify as something has been misinterpreted.

When this was attempted with trichomes collected from spent material the bonding WOULD NOT occur. No matter what i tried to do. I even applied hundreds of degrees of heat and literal tons of pressure to spent trichomes and the resulting product smelt like burnt coffee grounds… it did press it into a “puck” but this puck fell apart… this was only done as an extreme last ditch “send it” approach… thought maybe i could “cook” them together but nope… still wouldn’t bind… maybe someone else can figure it out… i can see using the whole spent-plant for “hempcrete”… sure, but not the trichomes alone from spent material.

Thus leading to my conclusion that in order to bond trichomes they must be ruptured and you can only rupture trichomes when they HAVE NOT underwent a solvent extraction.

I used fresh unadultered cannabis for the pictures of the experiment posted, with the only addition being water and then i tested the ability to bond them, using heat, pressure and moisture, independently at first and eventually all at once.

Heat or pressure or water alone didn’t achieve the desired result nor did heat and pressure, it appears the trick was the trichomes had to be moistened first, slightly heated… I’m talking luke warm… and then gently pressed between silicone… shaped and heated again to cure… i didn’t heat the trichomes directly either, i would heat only the silicone… it was relatively simple… but I regretfully spent many many hours heating and pressing dry trichomes.

I’m not exactly sure why the addition of water was a key factor nor do i understand the science behind it but without a single doubt the bonding was significantly increased in the presence of moisture which is truly a “hmmmmmmm” moment for me as for my understanding most of the resinous components inside a trichome don’t get along with water very well, yet they refused to form a strong bond in the absence of it. Strange.

The next challenge after establishing a strong bond was figuring out how to get the mositure out while maintaining the bond… because of course i wanted to try smoking it and you can’t smoke a wet noodle… i tried… freeze drying didn’t work, air drying didn’t work… but the heated dehydrator worked… the hardening appears to be heat activated. It only takes around 15-20 minutes for the wet trichomes to harden in the dehydrator.

Room temperature air dry - returns to dust pile.

Heated(70°c) air dry - maintains bonds!?

The sheet was cut to size and shaped into tubes when wet and essentially underwent a heat cure to be dried… the heat cure is when they found their strength. Prior to heat and pressure, it’s comparable to clay/play dough and then comparable to the feeling and texture of vulcanized rubber once heated and pressed and then feels very similar to a cinnamon stick when cured…

I was able to remove the moisture while maintaining the bond… this work was done with a variety of highly potent THC strains using primarily trichomes, i have no idea if hemp trichomes could produce the same result.

@moronnabis

It is considered quite a mystery. So I would say we have to give @envee a bit of credit here for his work with this material.

Thank you for acknowledging the merit to my work, even if it is a partial rediscovery unrelated to what i was doing, the acknowledgment that i have indeed done “something” is still appreciated greatly.

@moronnabis

I am beginning to think that Envee has rediscovered some component of Marijuana flowers responsible for the concrete-like aspect. I have actually attempted to bind (pre-extracted) ghost Hulls of trichome stalks with cyanoacrylate super glues…but unsuccessfully…

Using more trichomes and/or only the trichomes could be the basis of a strong future hempcrete… bit unlikely as two plants will never grow the same… so unless the margin for inconsistency in the trichomes composition is very wide for a such a product it’s unlikely a trichome based or enriched “hempcrete” will ever arise… i could definitely see what I’ve made being used like primitive stucco or plaster though… when you get the perfect mixture it’s like “drywall mud”… it could definitely clad onto a wall…

Rediscovery is genuinely possible here as most of the “fucking around” i did was relatively primitive and now you have me wondering if this could be taken further with the addition of chemicals… i was making things that could be safely consumed… i wonder how far this idea could go if my motive changed… if consumption was no longer a factor…

Anyways… maybe another project… but for now… I’ll enjoy my hard work… reveling in my glory that in a world of so many… i was the first to perfect this method.

[moronnabis]

Ok…the plaster in Indian caves was not pre extracted…so similar to your product. is it possible your preroll could last 1500 years?
Seems likely…read that paper…look at photos.
They say young shoots and flowers.
Young shoots up to like 6 weeks are reported to have high cannabinoid content.

My experience with extracted “hulls” is similar to yours: Silky like material when pressed falls apart.

After temp induced setting can the material be rehdrated by soaking in water for extend period of time.

Also might be interested in giving some material a full blast of microwaves for one min…see if it melts or ignites?

Plus: material subjected to 30sec pulses of microwaves at 25% power…repeat 5x…see if it will melt …or if no water is present…it may remain cool to touch.

If it initially heats a bit on first pulse…wait a min before second…you can fully dehydrate this way.

If the material is fragile and cracks easily after microwave induced dehydration…it might mean your matrix material needs a bit of water to maintain a bit structure.

If you break off a piece of that material and drop it in a vap pipe and hit it….what happens? It should work.

Enve are you and Ralph the same person/different avatars ?

[Cascade_hemp]

I think Ralph may take offense to that

[Lukewarm]

If I was Ralph I would be like. WTF, I don’t play with dirt resistant hash.

[Lukewarm]

Looks like you made incense

[Lukewarm]

Yea, I think it’s fair to say. Making incense is hardly new or revolutionary.

[Dr_Jebril]

Still, ancient Egyptians beneficited from very advanced alien technologies, since then lost.

[Lukewarm]

[Lowkeyalchemy]

Rosin pucks. Without the upside of making rosin.

[moronnabis]

@SubstituteCreature

Guys did you know water is a solvent!?

Yes water is a solvent for cannabinoic acids at pH 10-14.
I am sure this must be your thought.