@FloraplexTerpenes, sent email! Thanks again!
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Hello Blingbling,
Where are you located? We have resellers in England and the Netherlands that have the products you need. We understand how challenging it is with shipping/customs to get terps in the EU.
*Please note that anything with waxes will be challenging to dilute without cloudiness or separation, due to the nature of the waxes, but do some tests and see if there is a recipe that works for the product youâre using.
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your oil is not fully dewaxed
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Hi @TrueTerpenes thanks for the reply.
I did contact a reseller of your terps, in the UK about terms, and for some reason, they do not take credit card payments or paypall, I wasnât comfortable with a bank transferâŚso i didnât make a purchase.
I see @blingbling. I definitely understand the concern around that kind of transfer. Unfortunately itâs really hard to keep payment processing with products that have cannabis names (even if they arenât from cannabis) so many vendors of cannabis related products get their banking and payment processing shut down. This is probably why bank transfer is the route they had to choose. I will message you to confirm the vendor so that we can ease your mind for any future transactions with them. There might also be an additional vendor that can take care of you. Thanks for the info!
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Hi @blingbling!
The free 15 mL Terpene Diluent sample and (5) 5 mL terpene strain blend sample pack are getting sent to you today 
Iâll DM you the tracking number in a little bit.
We accept MasterCard, Visa, American Express, Discover, checks, money orders, and bank transfers!
Please let us know what you think!
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Awesome!
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How are you mixing the fluid?
@blingbling We also accept credit cards, checks, money orders and bank transfers, but we understand that youâre trying to get terpenes more local to your area because of shipping costs /customs fees etc, correct?
I will follow up with some vendors that are local to you so you can have options that are closer to home.
Might we also suggest investing in a small shear mixer/homogenizer to help with the homogenization of your products. Waxes are tricky, so always try to get a fully winterized product, but using a shear mixer might help in getting your product mixed more thoroughly.
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I wouldnât use mct oil to cut anything smoked. You are running a risk of some serious dangers in the future, wet lung, mold. You can ingest it, but there have been studies showing cutting agents like mct, pg, and coconut oil while vaped are terribly unsafe. Just food for thought
BS!! On the mct comment
Those myths have been disputed time and time again
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Do you have any studies to verify this claim? Besides the homeopath shilled William Troutt study reverberated all over the cannabis and vaping boards?
Across the Cannabis World, PEG based vape solutions are now considered to be poisonous cancer-juice. Doing some basic research all of this seems to stem from a single study popularized by ProjectCBD. Here is a link to the study everyone is quoting:
Carbonyl Compounds Produced by Vaporizing Cannabis Oil Thinning Agents
I have several problems with this study.
It was published in The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine. Not exactly the New England Journal of Medicine. Iâm tempted to call this a third rate scientific journal, but that may be too generous. The watchdog group âQuackwatchâ includes them in their list of bullshit âscientificâ journals. They were criticized a few years back for a paper that concluded that just maybe homeopathy works (it doesnât). As Quackwatch states, this journal is âfundamentally flawedâ.
The main author of the study, William Troutt, isnât a scientist. Heâs a Naturopathic âPhysicianâ. He has published only one other paper that was basically a survey of medical marijuana users. âNaturopathyâ isnât science. This is like an acupuncturist publishing a scientific paper. Who would take that seriously?
This study hasnât been peer reviewed, to the best of my knowledge. Science is about the repeatability of results. Not one âNaturopathâsâ findings. Yet it seems the entire cannabis space considers the findings of one guy to be âsettled scienceâ.
I take issue with their methodology. They claim PEG converted to formaldehyde at an alarming rate when they bumped up an old Ego style ecig up to 4.8 volts. I am a nicotine vaper who used to use those Ego style carts. No one was hitting those at the maximum voltage on an Ego style battery because⌠surprise surprise⌠it burns.
They used e-cigs in a way no real world user does. According to the study, after 446 degrees Fahrenheit, PEG would start degrading into formaldehyde. Modern Temp Control vapes could easily prevent this from happening. Even setting a Temp Control mod past 450 doesnât mean the actual aqueous solution is being heated to 450. The mod is reading the temp of the coil itself.
Additionally, newer e-cig atomizers have more juice inlet holes than the carts apparently used in the study. This further prevents any burning or runaway temps.
Now⌠if you are they type of person who wants to avoid âchemicalsâ⌠good on you. If you hate the taste of PEG vape solutions, thatâs ok. My issue is that the cannabis vape industry has moved from PEG based solutions to Distillate mixed with non-cannabis derived terps, believing this to be a âhealthierâ option.
The science does NOT support this being a healthier option at this point. And the terps used in every pre-filled distillate cartridge Iâve tried burn my throat at least as much as PEG.
Also, there is no study showing these potent solvents/terpenes are safe for inhalation. On the other hand there was a two week study done on the inhalation of PEG-3350 on rats. Note, that is a much âheavierâ version of PEG than the PEG 400 used in vape solutions, so one would expect it to be even more toxic. After exposing rats to a huge amount of heavy PEG for 14 days⌠the rats were fine. Hereâs the study:
Two-week aerosol inhalation study on polyethylene glycol (PEG) 3350 in F-344 rats.
Now does this mean PEG is perfectly safe? No. But Iâd like to see what happens if you expose rats to a similarly high inhaled dose of terpenes, many of which are potent solvents, for 14 days. My guess is all the rats would fucking die.
If you donât like diluting concentrates at all, and prefer to stay as ânaturalâ as possible, by all means avoid PEG solutions. But claiming PEG is deadly based on one dubious study seems odd to me.
There was a similar study done on âdabbingâ straight concentrate.
Toxicant Formation in Dabbing: The Terpene Story
It concluded that dabbing at temperatures higher than 750 degrees Fahrenheit exposed users to benzene, a molecule with a more established link to cancer than formaldehyde.
I understand that most e-nail users donât use temperatures above 750. But most e-cig vapers donât use their device the way âDr.â Trouttâs study observed either. If we treated the Dabbing study the way we did the PEG study, everyone would be throwing away their e-nails.
Iâm happy to have someone show me where Iâm wrong here. Are there other studies from reputable scientific journals that show PEG is âdeadlyâ?
I donât discount that many people dislike using PEG for other reasons (taste, potency, etc). I just find it odd that we moved from PEG to vaping unstudied âplant derivedâ terpenes based on one dubious study.
If you avoid PEG because you try to avoid âchemicalsâ, I get that. But you are likely inhaling more carcinogens by taking a deep breath in a densely populated area. And thatâs just from the brake dust alone.
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What is the purpose, why would you want to cut with an additive thatâs not needed. Save on money? Iâm not being rude, just trying to understand the purpose. There may not be enough studies to say its bad for you or good, so there is no conclusive data either way. Just wondering reasons why someone might use it.
Its used to dilute disty to flow better in carts. I use mct, terps, and disty in my carts. I make hundreds a month, for the past 3 yrs.
Buy a higher quality MCT oil, the cloudiness is almost certainly coming from low grade MCT.
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Hi Floraplex,
Iâve been trying to make custom blends (pg, vg, mct etc) for my juul pods with little success. No matter how much I liquify my winterized oil it continues to burn the coil. Any suggestions? I live in Toronto, Canada.