Looking for advice and reasoning behind live rosin production steps

So i’ve been reaching out to companies to get a better understating on certain steps in the rosin production and the reasoning behind it. But so far I haven’t received any responses yet.

This info is for my senior seminar presentation at my college. If anyone wants to provide any input on the questions below it would be greatly appreciated.

  1. I know you guys prefer fresh frozen to stop the loss of volatile terpenes. And to stop the decarboxylation and degradation of cannabinoids.

-Do you use flash freezing to prevent large ice crystal growth and the puncturing of the cell walls?

-how is it stored and packaged when waiting to be processed? Is it vacuum sealed? Stored under inert conditions?

  1. Pre wash processing

Are the flower heads broken up at all, to prioritize extraction yield, or do you try to keep the structure intact to prevent the extraction of undesired compounds?

  1. Washing time and temps

-I assume you try to keep the water in the washing vessel as cold as possible to prevent he loss of volatile compounds and reduce the extraction of undesired compounds. Are their any other reasons besides that?
Or do you guys have a desired wash temperature?

-Do you employ a soaking time for the biomass before applying any agitation to “relax” the plant structure, and reduce the amount of breaking that occurs?

-Is there a standard washing time with agitation or is it strain dependent? With a balance between, trichome head yields and reducing the amount of undesired extracted components?

     5. Filtration 

-Do you guys prefer nylon micron mesh bags or the stack of stainless-steel micron filters? have you encountered or seen any damage to the bulbous trichome heads if using stainless steel mesh?

-Are vibrations utilized in the filtration step at all to promote the separation of the trichome head sizes to the respective mesh size in the stainless steel filter or bag stack? Or do you use more water flow to promote this organization?

     4. Freeze drying after harvest. 

-Do you run a standard set of parameters for all strains, Or do you vary vacuum levels, shelf temps, and time based on the terpene profile of certain strains?

     5.  Post freeze drying 

-I’ve seen that people will usually break up and shake the trichome heads through a mesh colander after freeze drying.

-Do you guys use aerostatic separation at all, or do you find it is not needed at this point in the process?

  1. Pressing

-Is the primary purpose of this step to act as an additional filtration of impurities, and create a homogenized mixture of terpenes and cannabinoids?

-How is the set temperature decided upon in this step? Do you want to decarboxylate at this point, or is the temperature just there to aid in the flow of the compounds through the micron filter bags, and desired temperatures should be as low as possible, with out blowing out the bag?

  7. Cold curing after collecting pressed rosin  

-What is the primary function of this step? Is it to cause the nucleation of THCA out of the terpenes to achieve the desired consistency? Or is there another reason for this step?

        8.processing for rosin carts 

-From some journal papers that I have read they state that THCA crystalizes more readily than THC, and by looking at the COA’s for your rosin carts it shows the cannabinoid concentration is predominately THC, so decarboxylation is used.

-Do you prefer to decarboxylate under pressure from an inert gas minimizing the escape of volatile terpenes? If done under pressure does this cause CO2 build up in the extract

-Or is decarboxylation done under vacuum and the terpenes collected in a cold trap and mixed back in?

  9. Vacuum forced nucleation of THCA  for rosin diamonds  

-I have seen some techniques that use low levels of vacuum that causes the terpene concentration or intermolecular forces between the compounds to reduce and the THCA starts to crystalize out of solution.

-Is this a technique that is employed anywhere in your process?

-What is the primary function of this step? Is it to cause the nucleation of THCA out of the terpenes to achieve the desired consistency? Or is there another reason for this step?

Shelf stability and flavor depth. Fresh press is nice but it’ll start curing from the moment it’s pressed and probably not how you want it. By cold curing it under controlled conditions you’re giving all those extra terpenes you saved time to recombine and stabilize which leads to an overall more desirable product.

-Or is decarboxylation done under vacuum and the terpenes collected in a cold trap and mixed back in?

I haven’t heard of this being done with rosing, but frankly it should be.

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I know what you mean, however there are actual “bulbous” trichomes (distinct from “capitate” trichomes”), so you should probably get that jargon down correctly…

Yeah. You want that stalk on the (stalked) capitate trichomes (your primary target) to be brittle and snap…

Edit: see also Dry Sift, Kief, Hash & Bubble?

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Thank you @cyclopath for correcting my ignorance, as well as providing the photos and link to the article. I really do appreciate it, I’m still learning about all of this, and this website and the people here have been the best resource for educating myself.

When I told my seminar professor that I wanted to do my presentation on cannabinoid extraction, and that this was the industry I wanted to get into. He scoffed at the idea and suggested I look into other chemistry related fields. But the dude is pretty old and straight laced, so he might have a stigma about cannabis.

I welcome anyone to correct me when i’m wrong.

In the article they mention

“the bulbous, capitate sessile, and capitate-stalked trichomes – are capable of producing cannabinoids and terpenes. However, they do not all produce cannabinoids to the same extent”

Do you know if they all produce the same cannabinoids for a certain plant strain? Or do different trichomes produce different cannabinoids?

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The for stability of the terpenes, what’s the reasoning for them becoming more stable as they recombine? does it lead to stronger intermolecular forces between similar molecules causing them to be less volatile? or is it from reduced surface area interactions with environmental oxygen or other molecules. Or combination of both?

Or am I totally wrong?

I saw the decarb reactor from beaker & wrench and thought it would be good for preserving the volatile terps from rosin.

check it out,

Only if you’ve got a broken wrist and opening/closing a ball jar quickly is a hard ask

Put a PRV on a jar lid and pop a mag stirrer in it. Congrats, you have a rosin reactor

Welcome to the weed industry - we’ll be happy to sell you a diamond encrusted wheel that has no further function than previously with a 100x pricetag

NOW THAT BEING SAID.

The reactor you linked wouldn’t be good for rosin. It’s for stripping volatiles in crude and decarbing at the same time, prepping you for the distillation step - saving time in your beginning stages.

Learn the steps of what you do conceptually. Grasp the ‘why’ so you don’t have to grasp your wallet. Cannonballing into the deep end is no good for no body.

I will be honest, with the in depth questions you’re asking, you will likely get minimal help from the community because it sort of reads like ‘do my work for me’ with no consult fees to be gained in the end. We have bills to pay and providing collegate level answers takes time.

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Yeah, that sounds a lot more economical than a $50k reactor. while serving the same function. The pricing on “cannabis” related equipment is insane.

I apologize if my questions are coming off the wrong way. I know finding the right peer reviewed papers, and going through them to find answers takes a lot of time.

I’m happy if someone just tells me my logic about something is dumb or if i’m thinking about the concept correctly.

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No worries at all - I’m just sort of giving you a heads up on how it’d come off to some people - I appreciate you understanding that though because we’ve had other visitors whose ethos was ‘BUT I’M NOT MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO TELL ME FOR FREE ALL NIGHT LONG!’ - you can see a great example of this midway through the ‘rosin press go brrrr’ thread. That thread, also has lots of gems of info about rosin and not just pics that a lot of people who contribute here have dropped.

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