I am researching industrial-scale extraction equipment and/or plug-and-play systems. Would love to hear from the community which ones you may be using in your lab. Looking for BHO and Ethanol extraction systems. I am familiar with ETS and BHOGART. Also have ran systems we built in lab ourselves. The reason for this post is to see if there are any others that I may have overlooked and should look into. Kind regards friends
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Luna
Bizzybee
Illuminated extractors
Precision
MACHtechnologies
Deutsche process
Sciphy systems
Im missing about 6-7 more too early
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Define this.
I guarantee that your version of industrial scale is different from mine.
Nothing these companies make is industrial scale.
Why? What products are you trying to make, and what kind of volume are you trying to do?
Illuminated is the closest to industrial scale that I can think of, but I’d say they’re mostly just bigger than most other available options, without a lot of the advantages that you get from proper industrial scale, design, and automation.
People I respect have recommended 710 scientific as people who know how to do big and good. I haven’t used or seen their kit myself.
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Thank You for the reply.
When I say industrial I mean in the 1000 pounds of processing range in a workday load minimum. When I say industrial I mean as big as it can get. Say you had an open budget what would you go with?
In my old lab, we need 800 pounds of FF on the BHO side. Want to expand on that and just have a general conversation as to what is out there.
As far as ETS and BHOGART I’ve seen and or operated them to some degree. That is why I put that on there.
As far as products I am saying everything under the sun.
(Ethanol)Distillate to all the consistencies that can come out of a BHO booth.
thanks again
Less than 60kg per hour? That is is on the big end of garage scale, just like everything else in this industry.
That can be done with a single 450mm basket fuge and two operators if your system isn’t completely stupid.
We design and build absolutely everything in house already, so I imagine we’d continue doing that.
If you’ve got a truly open budget you shouldn’t be considering anything that’s relying on technology from a decade or three ago.
Open budget means something that is properly custom engineered, fit for your specific purpose, location, inputs, and output product mix. It also means full automation, with high reliability and built in redundancy for 20+ hour per day production.
No one in this industry offers anything even remotely close to that.
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Strangely enough, we’ve wandered down this path a couple or five times before…
Don’t recall there was much to see, but if you’re doing your due diligence…
Don’t neglect the links below the first post.
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Plant works group makes large screw press extractors for ethanol extraction that can do 1000 pounds an hour plus or even down to 120 pounds an hour. They’re owned by Vincent Screw Press who makes screw presses for a ton of different industries. Youd have to couple it with an appropriate sized membrane skid, FFE and wiper but that would be the best way to make crude large scale for distillate. Scaling centrifuges is stupid and such a waste when you can literally run one of these with a single operator who can also do other things besides run this system. Youd just keep the loading basket full of material and it takes care of the rest
Everyone I know who has used screw presses has complained about the cleanup.
I was chatting with a friend a week or so ago who had a facility decide to use screw presses when scaling up. After firing up their crystallization process no longer worked. The screw press squeezed out something that blocked crystallization. We got them sorted, but it didn’t need to be as hard as it was.
I do agree however that scaling centrifuges is overly expensive and probably not the most correct way of doing things.
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Thank you to all who replied. I am just doing my Due diligence. I run a fairly decent-sized lab. My post was just a general discussion and to scratch the surface to see if there was anything that I may not be privy to. I do not pretend to know all hence my post to see is there anything new in the market or whatnot.
@Lincoln20XX On the ethanol side we can process 2600 pounds in a work day. On the BHO side, we generally average in the 800-1000 mark.
The open-budget thing was just to say if you had a genie in a bottle and could design a lab how would you do it? You answered with what we already have at the current setup. It was designed specifically to our specifications. Thank you
My genie says:
No flammable solvents.
No fuges, just pumps and hoppers.
Membranes all the way down.
95+% solvent recovery and re-use.
95+% cannabinoid extraction from the biomass.
Separate terpene and cannabinoid fractions.
Separate acidics and neutrals.
3-5 workers per 400kg / hr, including incoming material prep and finished product handling.
A system that puts its hand up before or when it needs something.
A system that does the paperwork for you because some of the things the regulator wants are pretty brain-dead.
And big ol’ rocks that fall out of sample vials.
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If I went large scale ethanol extraction, I would buy a few hundred garbage cans with wheels and scale up bucket tek and extract in a parking lot and wheel them into a room with a dozen or so rotovaps with a micron screens on the feed tubes, hot plates and pots to activate the oil, and a some toption chinese steel wiped films to make distillate.
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I would have mach technologies, every skid comes with automation from BHO, ETHANOL, and DISTILLATIONS, SOLVENTLESS his team of engineers are fire. Everything is made in the US. The owner is a down to earth smart dude. We personally have had great success with everything rob has fabricated for us. We have had all different kinds of ideas we have played with and his team of capable of bringing all your ideas to life.
Some precision systems are great with a few modifications for BHO only id recommend for them
Luna has worked well for people who have them, but inputs/outputs can be tricky without modifications and knowledge of automation and systems engineering.
I think Membranes as @Lincoln20XX mentioned is really one wave I wish we would have invested in more early.
Illuminated is also a Fire company that has been putting awesome systems I would wish I could swithc my BHO system to one of their monsters. Great guys over there at illuminated.
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Membranes are amazing, wish I had spent more time and energy putting it into more projects and not caught on so late. Great info here for a mass production facility that could pump out product like a coca cola style freestyle machine and just reassemble whatever strain to customers desire of consistency and terp% minor% Thc% awesome idea mayne.
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I think Mach has some good looking tech, I haven’t personally worked with it or spoken with anyone who has, but it looks to me like they’ve had at least one quite good idea.
If you think about it, pretty much everything we do other than the initial extraction is filtration.
Which means that membranes and other advanced filtration technologies are really the future in this industry (and many others).
Energy is expensive. So if you’re adding heat anywhere except decarb and removing a lot of it anywhere except during crystallization, you’re gonna have a bad time in the long term. I also don’t like working with flammable solvents.
Membranes and their ilk are the solution to a lot of the thermal bullshit we normally throw lots of amps at.
I think there’s a way to make them work to remove a lot of the energy required for crystallization as well, but that’s on the big list of future research projects.
That’s more than an idea - it’s what we’re doing, though we don’t have the terp extraction and separation part in place yet. Somewhere in the 400kg/hr range is where I think our production should be approaching once we finish our present upgrade downtime.
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HashishaNaren:
If you want BIG and cutting edge. AND price is not a problem. Send a retainer fees to @Lincoln20XX Lincoln today….OR
If it has to be BHO and BIG…get in touch with @CollectiveObjective
end of story
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Hot damn! so 3,200 kg per 8 hour shift?!? How much biomass are you extracting per day?!?!
Depends on how many extraction subsystems we turn on, how long the shifts are, etc.
I’m presently leaning towards two sub systems running concurrently, each one should be doing about 190 kg per hour. Worst case they should be not less than 110 kg per hour each.
We estimate 6.5 hours of extraction per 8 hour shift, though you can actually get more extraction hours in than labour hours if the humans fill up the hoppers right before they leave for the day.
I won’t be happy until the system is putting out more product than we can sell.
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Our R600 Behemoth can do 100lbs of dry bio per hour, the R800 Behe can do 300lbs/hr dry bio. Make all products on the market. +50c to below -50c in minutes.
Patented FastFlow cycling technology - essentially unlimited solvent, no nitrogen, no CO2, maximum recovery rate, no water heater.
Up to 70lbs/min propane or 40lbs/minute butane extraction rate.
Unprecedented refrigeration coefficient of performance (COP)!
System pretty much runs itself for heat and refrigeration. Full automation is in the works.
There literally is nothing else like our system. All of the problems that still exist in other units we have solved with my design.
We also make smaller systems with the same technology and function. From single column units to dual and quad, but also the larger ten column racks.
Typically one operator and two sock loaders to run the larger machines. Low solvent loss (1-3% dry or 5-10% fresh frozen).
Isolate terpenes, acids, and neutrals/hte.
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How do you push solvent with no vapor pressure without a gas like n2?
Suction and pressure typically…
We suggest a 70/30 propane heavy solvent to maximize the function of the system. I’ve ran pure butane but it’s just slower and likes to pull more impurities.
No need to waste energy on cold butane extraction. It’s old tech. Propane just needs a higher ratio than butane to get all of the acids out. In the end the extraction time is equal to butane since butane has a lower ratio but slower recovery and propane has higher ratio and faster recovery.
Our patented FastFlow cycling technology essentially gives you unlimited solvent. So it’s like pulling solvent out of your tank non-stop for 5 to 10 or 20 minutes - even an hour until your extraction is done.
The speed of extraction is determined by the compressor.
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