I actually have a moment real quick as I wait for someone.
I could add heptane or pentane to an isobutane solution and it will change the pressure it gives off but still have the potential to rocket out out of the jar. So a blend with n butane and iso will have a different pressure than pure iso.
It sounds like this been an occurrence actually according to the 3 amigos dred dime and Duke
So I guess I’m also confused here because you seem to claim that the square structures are the only indicator of the “medusa gas”. While I understand that this is how you guys coined the term medusa, from the stones forming a facet and then decaying into chalk, is that the only indicator of medusa gas? Because there seems to be a lot of people simply experiencing and reporting the fast crash without the square polymorph. These people post in the rapid crash thread and then everyone screams medusa. But yet they have no prerequisite to show the polymorph before we say yep that’s medusa.
Well I am a bit confused because sir skating midget said he got fast crash from his isobutane tank when he switched to that. Some clarification would be great.
I have experienced the fast crash but only above the crc site glass at the end of a run when there is so much butane to such little extract it should not crash . It has never clogged my pour spout or messed with how my sugar comes out .What’s weird is @thesk8nmidget uses the same gas and media with totally different results. We don’t process exactly the same but lots of similarities
I had zero issues running this tank of 60/20/20 from oct ‘20, before the fast crash issue began. Started a new tank of butane a few months ago and every run has done the fast crash. That being said, I highly doubt the fast crash you’ve experienced with isobutane from 2018 is one in the same. I know this isn’t the documented experiment you were hoping for, but it may shed a little light for you or others.
It shows in ppms for every tank of normal butane I’ve ever checked, too. It, just like propane recovers first and miniscule amounts leftover. Again, compounding that this is not the issue, I’ve never had a problem with it before when I was extracting with primarily isobutane and only had enough butane to have a steady pour. Meaning, the problem should have been far worse back then. Vs now I use Normal butane with tiny trace amounts (1/10 of a percent) of isobutane, which is probably always there. But non other than normal butane showing up on my coa’s. When isobutane would show up when I used it.
Not straight butane, 70/30 (butane heavy) was when the fast crash started. Switched to straight iso and then after a couple days added propane to the iso. And then last week switched back to butane/propane 70/30.
And at the end of the week swapped out the 3a for 13x and set up an in line liquid fill column with 13x as well.
I can make bar facets that turn to chalk anywhere they have the bad gas. Iso butane may be hard to prevent from doing it’s own fast crash but the determining factor is the crystal structure not rapid precipitation.
Control the crystallisation of any “Medusa gas” below 68 f and you get bars. Something I never ran into running blends or cans that certainly contained some amounts of Iso.
Also consider probably about half or more of the butane isomerization refineries in US run off of aluminum for catalyst in the akylation feed instead of platinum.
The feed is constantly contacting the solvents we are using, hence, isobutane catalyzed with aluminum and hydrogen is contacting the n-butane, and propane in order for those solvents to be manufactured… its at the top of the distillation stack if you look closely at my previous post?
Hydrogen was mentioned as a possibility in another thread, and then I looked into isobutane and hydrogen is involved but not if they are using platinum as the catalyst but I’m sure we can all agree the refineries would have been doing it as cheap as possible since day one so maybe they were always using aluminum and hydrogen for the isobutane feed and it came from crude oil?
Its possible something at the plant in the process changed, maybe being superheated, or ran for expended periods of time to keep up with demand and little output capability, or quality standards were reduced to continue to produce the feedstock cost effectively post mid-2020…
Seems like a small pie of people are using propane for direct human contact/consumption products, or butane, or isobutane for that matter so why would the refineries notice/care?
So I guess in summary, either they were;
Using platinum up till mid 2020 and switched to aluminum?
or
they were always using aluminum and got slack on the process due to labor and output capability shortages post mid 2020?
According to that cited article the majority of it is sourced domestically, and the n-chain gasses are separated by distillation. Period.
No catalyst touches it unless they take some of it and try to isomerize it to something else. Then they recirculate them same gas over the catalyst to isomerize it, and store the reaction mixture separately between runs because you don’t want to lose your product.
It makes no sense that isomerized product that makes them money to sell by mass is mixed with its own feedstock? Idk. Just my 2 cents.
Why i change and mentioned my swapping over to n butane in the summer months ;). Yall can smack talk him but it seems like hes made a oblivious point countless times yall are ignoring/invalidating cause his account isnt as popular as most. You know how frustrating it is it put in actual time and research into things than the person tlaking out there ass contradicting their own statements is idolized? thats such a joke. some come to be loved and appeal to the majority some come here for facts. The difference is one is progressing and other is continuing the age of disinformation. Don’t be suprised people get upset when you are blindly leading people to a salt water pool to hydrate?
They can’t because the errror is in their process but everyones to high and mighty to admit its something in their own procedure. Theres a few places i can go to and make a cool 5 figures but why would i help my competition beyond the massive explanations ive given and got looked over. Yall aint progressing learning from one source and only believing said source thatll work out for you like the people who thought/think weed has been bad/ the devil for a century.
Look at that @Dred_pirate@SafeLeaf.ca refining industry sheet, you said butane was converted into iso. It appears pentanes and hexanes are sir. Can you please continue with more disinformation. And since you know how lil Isobutane comes from crude oil distillation can u give us guys a average of the volume of iso distilling out of crude oil? like 2% - 10 %? what number will he make up next lmao. And yes i already asked someone who works in mfg. love to hear what you concluded in your head tho
You’re causing me to re-read material I’ve read 3-4 times. I’m fairly certain at this point isobutane is used as a feedstock in production of high purity n-butane and propane. The catalyst is what isomerizes the butane INTO isobutane, which is used as a FEEDSTOCK, to manufacture more normal butane an propane.
Maybe natural gas is different, and that could be indicated in the article you referenced, but I think I’ve C&P’d the material I’ve referenced several times and either I am completely stupid or you haven’t read any of it. Willing to accept the former, sir.
