Is the problem vaping or nicotine?

Altria = Phillip Morris
They changed their name around 10 years ago fyi

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That’s nothing - they will get that return in like one year.

@peasandlovage

Altria is the parent company to PM.

This my friends is big money moves and it’s just the beginning. This is there market position to come in and take over carts.

Trust me - my finger feels the pulse of this market by a few phone calls.

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I didn’t realize Juul is a spin-off if pax/ploom.

I have the original pax.

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Theres been cases of lipid pneumonia from mct in oil carts. And unknown toxic reactions from what turned out to be vitamin e acetate and honey cuts… it’s not a nicotine product.

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You are right. I mean marijuana e-cigs. I’m old. It seems to be limited to carts. There are lots of ways to vape besides carts.

Has anyone not noticed that not ONE person is sick in the U.K. that Vaped like crazy too?

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@Roguelab

Hes in the UK I believe

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I’ve got some friends there this seems to be US thing

The average cig has 12mg of nic- that’s per cig…full flavor strong ass cigs like camel have around 24mg per cig- that Juul pod has either 30 or 50mg, so it’s not even close to a whole pack of cigs. Now I understand you’re using 3mg, but if you put a 3mg in a Juul, you’d throw the thing in the trash. There’s a lot of variables about the actual delivery and vapor concentration, so those numbers don’t really matter other than a reference point as far as what the user experiences on the other end

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The UK is like 3-4 years behind US vape cycle. I was living there till last January and they still would rip the “FATTEST” clouds, dude. #vapenation

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I didn’t know this either until I saw them transferring IP from Pax Labs to JUUL Labs for patents

no problems so far over here in the UK, we been nicotine vaping over here for quite a few years (myself about 7 or 8 years.) We got the cloud chasers, vaping huge amounts of juice each day, but no reported problems.

Neither do we have any deaths from nicotine vaping OR THC … so far. However, there are plenty of peeps from the UK pusing THC carts, including Dank carts, so will be interesting to see if we do eventually have the same issues over here …

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I would speculate that health issues related to vaping nicotine would be cumulative and result in possible cardiovascular issues as one ages. Therefore I wouldn’t expect to see quantifiable effects for at least a couple decades in most people.

I mean, hey some people smoke cigs their whole lives without any real issues…some people…

The vape debate is being attacked broadly, but it really seems to currently boil down to 6 different theories and questions:

  1. Effects of vaping nicotine
  2. Effects of vaping MCT
  3. Effects of vaping Vitamin E acetate
  4. Effects of vaping PG/PEG
  5. Effects of vaping pesticides
  6. Effects of vaping distillate & terpenes

Once we can figure these out, then the question is what are the effects of various combinations of these?

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none in canada either

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thats pretty interesting, considereing the US does some sketchy shit in order to further a hidden agenda. The fact that this is coming out right when big tobacco is trying to take hold of the industry is just a little suspect to say the least…

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It’s not suspect- it’s truth.

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Just business as usual. Give it a couple months and the only vapes you’ll be able to buy in stores will be the new Philip Morris bs.

IQOS | PMI - Philip Morris International

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An Exec from Altria (big tobacco) steppedin and replaced Juuls ceo… pretty coincidental timing don’t you think? Wreak havoc on their business and then pick it up and make everyone forget…

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