Carboxylated cannabinoids: CBGa, THCa, CBDa, CBCa, CBNa… any raw acidic cannabinoid with the nomenclature ending in “acid” (Cannabigerolic acid for example).
Crude is the most basic and unrefined form of the extract meaning there are a lot of other compounds also present. Crumble is a sought after consistency which usually requires some sort of post processing. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but no, there is no difference in medicinal value between the two.
Which may or may not be part of the “full spectrum” that @Sean.R is looking for.
From my limited experience with CBG/CBGa I’m going to say CBG is a little different here. I’m also going to ask folks like @Bret_HoneyGold, @ky_cbd, and @PharmExOregon to let us know if I’m wrong (again).
There ARE folks making BHO from hemp. What THEY call a crumble would absolutely be CBGa.
However, I’ve also sampled (crystallized) CBG distillate that might legitimately be called “crumble”.
I read your comment on the "What qualities make RSO “good”:
Any talk around here about taking CBGa for cancer at dosages for what someone would take RSO for cancer (say up to a gram a day)? What do you think would be the best CBGa extract for someone taking it for cancer? Bho crumble? Ethanol crude crumble?
Certainly lots of folks convinced cannabis cures cancer. Not convinced we have much clinical data to back that up. Haven’t explicitly gone looking for it in quite some time, so it might be available…
I’m not, you were talking about bho and I just wanted to make sure I was covering everything. I didn’t know till PharmExOregon said most all CBGa crumble is ethanol. The only options were crude oil or crumble, PharmExOregon’s looked a lot different then say this CBGa crumble here:
I don’t know about cure but there are a lot of people on the facebook cancer / rso / feco groups that post about taking rso / feco and their cancer went into remission, then they would have to take a maintenance dosage so the cancer would not come back. About the clinical data I think I saw on a Netflix documentary that they don’t want to do clinical studies on it, that the pharmaceutical companies don’t want it.
I heard people don’t want to publish studies because they don’t want the pharmaceutical companies reading their studies then trying to make synthetic versions of cannabinoids.
I only recently heard about CBGa from a couple podcast / interviews:
RSO is generally heated, so decarbed. (RSO is generally a crude DIY cannabis extract).
Crumble is just a name for the consistency of the product, and is a marketing term rather than a scientific term.
Crumble can be made with decarbed or non-decarbed extracts.
These will generally be a distillate (so: Crude extract ->Dewaxed oil → distillation to remove ethanol and many other compounds to produce a cleaner product with higher cannabinoid content).
You mention CBGa crumble - this is generally ethanol extracted from non-decarbed CBG flower. It’s been distilled to remove the ethanol and contains little chlorophyll or waxes, so not “truly” full spectrum but more full spectrum than a less refined product like home made RSO (Which would not be commercially acceptable or useful for manufacturing.
In the case of CBGA crumble this is the natural form of the distillate following normal crystallisation of the CBGa in the presence of lots of other terpenes, cannabinoids and waxes etc. It’s a great product.
Note : your post has drawn some unhelpful/comedic comments because RSO is a crude cannabis extract, but this terminology and method is mostly used by a community who are using home/DIY/ghetto type methods, materials and consumables, and much of what is described as RSO online would not be considered to offer an optimal patient experience in terms of safety and flavour. People are calling many different methods/products RSO so it’s pretty meaningless beyond being a crude cannabis extract. It comes from decades ago before modern extraction science and nomenclature was widely used in the cannabis/hemp industry. You’ll see a lot of medical claims that are dubious at best, but a nice clean RSO is a great product.
BTW - if you want truly full spectrum cannabis, just juice leaves and flowers - if all that chlorophyll etc is really good for you then skip the extraction and go for juice which going to contain all the (potentially therapeutic) plant compounds. Definitely avoid any RSO method using hydrocarbons unless you have the technology (distillation or vacuum oven) to completely remove them. Ethanol is GRAS (Generally regarded as safe for human consumption) so DIY RSO made with this method is usually best.
Lets consider a clean, safe, RSO type extract made with ethanol.
This is a highly full spectrum product including lots of cholorophyll, pigments, waxes and other plant compounds which may or may not be beneficial. These make the product dark and thick, and generally unappetitising and difficult to use or formulate other products with.
A cleaner approach is using cold ethanol to minimise the amount of non-cannabinoid/terpene type compounds.
This “bucket tech” is the DIY version of what commercial extractors do with machines like the CUP30
The result is an amber resin with minimal chlorophyll or plant pigments, but still plant waxes etc. This is crude ethanol extract (basically commercial quality RSO) that has had the ethanol and lighter compounds removed by distillation - so already not full spectrum compared to a raw extract - “Full spectrum” is a relative term
Waxes and other lipids are usually removed by precipitation in cold conditions (winterisation). The result is usually called winterised ethanol extract.
This can be further distilled to remove more impurities are removed by distillation the product is called distillate - less “full spectrum” again, but more full spectrum that an isolate…
If you don’t decarb the flower first, you’ll be extracting mostly acid cannabinoids like THCa, CBDa etc and also preserving a lot more terpenes etc… If you do decarb it you’ll be extracting THC, CBD etc
It’s a nice, fairly full spectrum extract but not nearly as full spectrum as a crude extract.
With non-decarbed CBGa extracts this is going to look like crumble.
I hope this helps a bit - there are many ways to do each step and a lot of the nomenclature is dependent on specific technologies (with RSO mostly an older DIY name for crude extract).
Is RSO better than a high quality refined extract or distillate? Most of the time I’d say no but there many pigments and waxes etc that may be medicinal compounds that are removed during extraction and refinement. That’s why I suggest going for juicing if you want a raw, natural, truly full spec product.
But for manufacturing tinctures or gummies or similar a refined extract, distillate or isolate has many advantages.
I didn’t have any questions. They are out of stock of 75% CBGa crumble, I emailed them and they said they’d be back in stock soon. But now that you mention, do they grow outdoor or greenhouse? Organic?
