I donāt think that regulation limiting the cost is the right move. We need an industry disruption to reduce the cost. The problem is that the equipment is so freaking expensive.
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Again I by no means claim to be a GMP expert or ISO expert. I just make good oil and know how to run an awesome lab. I hire smarter guys then me to do our GMP certs and complaince.
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And with everyoneās margins across the industry dropping like rocks we canāt increase cost for Compliance and sample sizing unfortunately 
but we need something to change
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The main point in all of this is that testing labs should share in liability if they tell me my product is complaint and then it pops hot later on under federal or state inspection, there has to be some level of guilt on the labs if I get it triple verified compliant.
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I think it is distinguishing without a difference. the C stands for Current which demonstrates a constant-improvement mindset. I think it can be easily argued that without the view towards constant improvement, you canāt be GMP compliant.
https://theracann.solutions/2019/07/22/gmp-vs-cgmp-whats-the-difference/
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Most definitely
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This all day. If I am the smartest person in a room, I am in the wrong room.
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I guarantee you they make that ROI really quickā¦ then itās all profit while we suffer. I agree in that I am usually not fond of greater regulation, but testing, especially for edibles in Oregon, is so inhibitive that the market greatly suffers, inevitably passing that cost back on the consumer, which in turn reinforces the BM. I donāt necessarily have the answers, but something needs to give.
OK, but that is how business works. Someone looks at the glut of overpriced testing and says āI am going to charge half the price, deliver all the quality and steal all that market share.ā
I am not sure that is possible with the price of the initial equipment and all of the consumables.
Show me that lab, and Iāll happily use them. Until then, they are all in cahoots, as pricing varies little across the board, and they have more powerful lobbyists in the state than anyone else in cannabis.
As for the impossibly, I would argue that if thereās a will, thereās a way.
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If I was going to start a business in this space, it would be a testing lab and that is how I would do it. Twice the quality, half the price. I would call it 2x50% labs.
@sidco can we do it?
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So whatās the consensus? Who is the most ātrustedā or capable lab?
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Happy to join you both on this venture.
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Sure. But if you want that to be the case, youāre going to have to do way way more testing than just one or two tests per batch. Labs canāt be accountable for the inevitable errors that will happen owing to the sampling and testing being unreasonably low. If you want to get certified testing on an aquifer they pull 100s of samples.
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Okay so elaborating with your train of thought if I send a 100 samples and all 100 samples results would have to be averaged and that average COA is now the final result. Then when the feds take their test and my 100 COAs averaged complaint and and their 1 test they pull is not complaint then whatās the end result?
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Crazy lol. Which lab was it that had the pesticides come up?
Pesticides can pop up when you arenāt using them (especially outdoors, but even possible indoors). I once saw a used AC and dehumidifier pollute a room with pesticides that were stuck in the filter from the previous owner. No one saw that coming, and it took a lot of work to figure out the source. It isnāt unheard of for them to appear out of nowhere, though unlikely.
At the same time, I have had labs test product what was grown (indoor) with no pesticides and come back with 5 different pesticides. On retest, they came back with 7 different pesticides (most being different pesticides from the first test). The source was never located, and retest laws prevented further investigation by other labs. That product had to, sadly, be destroyed and was not allowed to be remediated. Mistakes definitely happen, but an unexpected result does not always mean they are wrong.
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Well the real issue is the feds tests are probably the wrong ones. They arenāt following any of those sampling protocols and arenāt accountable.
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And thatās what really matters! So we all need to adopt their sops/methods or try to teach them they are wrong
Yep, I know someone that sent their D8 to 4 labs. 3 came back all D8 and ND on D9. The DEA lab in cali came back all D9 lolā¦ (at least this is what they told meā¦) (grain of salt) lol
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