This had nothing to do with hemp. Arrests were made for black market actors in this situation, yes the info is very public. The company supplying the vitamin E is still around. They didn’t package it into vapes and sell it in a legal hemp market, don’t get it twisted. To act like that guy represents an $8b industry invalidates the purchasing decisions of millions of consumers who are choosing our hemp products over more expensive/less accessible /lower quality marijuana ones.
The vaping crisis happened like a year after the farm bill passed, not many people were converting d8 at that time. It definitely wasnt main stream at the time
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8762 reports to poison control since 2021, 2 deaths that I’m aware of
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Anyway you can find out the number for opiots? I googled and couldnt find it
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Drug Overdose Death Rates | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA).
Opioid-involved overdose deaths rose from 49,860 in 2019 to 81,806 in 2022.
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Okay, how many reports for marijuana? Reports were always going to go up as time went on. You can OD On psychedelics…THCs are one of those. Remember the guy who ate too many brownies and called 911?
Only two have died. Out of millions, tens of millions. Not to invalidate them, but these substances are helping millions with pain and wellness. The good > the bad.
Right. 80k deaths for something that is pushed top down from government and pharma coalition. Two deaths from a movement of hemp boys trying to provide access to an alternative to Opiates.
Who are you really mad at my guys?
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Holy shit
Thats just deaths too not just calls
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https://www.aapcc.org/track/edible-cannabis
From 2019 to 2024, Poison Centers managed 30,952 cannabis edible exposure cases in patients that were 0-19 years of age.
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Here’s the numbers for Opioids for this year as reported as well.
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Okay so, four times as much. I don’t understand anyone’s point of d8 being unsafe.
No, let’s not give it to kids. But also let’s not act like cannabis isn’t safe.
I am not talking synthetics.
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Let us try to focus on all of us working together.
And remember that its the prohibitionists creating reasons for us not to work together.
For demonizing traditional market operators and hemp operators - who are actively serving populations that do not have access to cost effective options from licensed operators.
Still safer than almost all FDA approved drugs. Still safer than booze.
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Yes, I agree.
The only knock I have about BM is it doesn’t have the honor it used to. ODs everywhere, people are more desperate. Again, the vape crisis happened on BM. The overall quality of all BM products has gone down over the last decade.
I respect anyone fighting the war of access to this plant, period.
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maybe you’re just now feeling that part of it in the midwest with fent, but it’s been like that since the patent medicine era
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Whoahoe… slow it down there buckaroo. “More expensive” yeah I’ll go with that. “less accessible” yeah I can go with that too. “lower quality marijuana” easy tiger the overwhelming majority of hemp (actual hemp not the bullshit you’re trying to pass off as thca hemp) is nowhere near the quality of the majority of marijuana. As far as claiming that D8 D10 and a bunch of other synthetically derived cannabinoids are just as safe or as you allude to, even safer than naturally derived D9 in the long run… how the fuck would you know that?
As far as “Honeycutt” (vitamin e), when it first came out years ago I had a huge argument on is social media site with the person who was very much pushing that out there. At the time my argument against it was that just like any other “cut” in the drug business it is used as a way to deceive customers as to the content and potency, by it’s very nature it is ripping people off and I went further and argued that we don’t know the health risks of it because it has not been used before for this for this purpose (keep in mind at the time I had no clue what “Honeycutt” consisted of) the person pushing it got irate and called me all kind of names telling me I’m stupid and that it’s already being used for human consumption and it’s perfectly safe. Obviously he was wrong. DEAD WRONG! The person whom with I argued at the time is a very prominent person on this platform and he thought he was smart enough and knew enough. Also when “Honeycutt” first came out it was just used to cut D9 distillate and I don’t think the “hemp boys” had anything to do with it at the time.
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I am not the arbiter of shit. And I never said there weren’t potential medical uses for d8. My opinion is that vaping d8 recreationally is retarded.
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For what it’s worth, the analog act has been applied like…less than five times in all of history. It’s done more work as a deterrent than it has in actually putting anyone behind bars.
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100% agree
Itll be nice not to have to worry about it since it can only be used on schedule 1 and 2s
Plus with the definition of hemp theyd have a hard time proving you knew you were dealing with an analogue
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Agreed. And that’s also what’s in the documentation on the deaths. Those deaths were traditional market and licensed market, mostly in Texas which didn’t have a legal hemp program until recently.
Sad stuff with people dying plus over 1000 people having lung damage and having to get lungs removed and/or replaced.
Tide Pods!
But really - I’m more worried about kids getting access because that pisses of schools and parents. And those people complain LOUDLY and then regulations change and it becomes harder to do any business. And that sucks for everyone.
We’re having that issue in Michigan right now. Hemp products (which aren’t legal here anyway…) getting into the hands of teenagers… who are using them at school (some traditional market stuff as well honestly) and those kids behaving badly and getting caught OR using too much and going to the hospital.
In one instance - it was supposed to be D8 gummies. But it turned out it wasn’t D8 it was Benadryl - and she just kept eating them until she was in the ER almost dying. And that’s the kind of stuff that I really want to be able to stop, if possible. It feels impossible most of the time though.
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Without the explicit Farm Bill carveout, even with THC in schedule 3, there’s still THC isomers in Schedule 1 (Dimethylheptylpyran, parahexyl) that could be a slam dunk Analogue Act case against things like THCp, THCh, etc. All that being said, as mentioned before, the government will bend over backwards to bring a case in other ways before actually using the Analogue Act. But just moving THC to Schedule 3 doesn’t necessarily close that door.
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