Farm Bill 2024 Draft Summary Released by US House/Senate

Cannabimimetic Agents is what youre refering, synthetic naturally occuring cannabinoids that are synthetic equivelants of the cannabis sativa plant are not scheduled other then thcs. If they were then you wouldn’t need 7370

Please show me where any synthetic cannabinoid other then thc which comes from the cannabis sativa plant is scheduled.

Only if there structure and effects were similar or greater then the controlled substance. The AA act reads conjunctively not disjunctively.

Plus they have to prove you knew that you were dealing with an analogue which would be hard when the definition of hemp exempts everything but d9 thc

The whole point of that is to show you the definition of thc is synthetic equivelants since you dont seem to know that. MJ the plant itself was scheduled synthetic thcs werent until they made drug code 7370. The final rules didnt change the definition of thcs as scheduled in code 7370

As shown above in drug code 7370 synthetic thcs arent derived from a plant… if they were then there would be no need for 7370 as MJs scheduling would cover it

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courts have deferred to the DEA’s interpretation of the acetates being controlled substances pretty uniformly so far

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Key words being

Thc o isnt found in the plant

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I’m just curious, do you mean like Purdue GlaxoSmithKline Bayer etc etc? Or do you mean the millions that came before you that risked and gave up their freedom in order to make this what we have now possible?

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Much appreciation for all your hard work! And thank you for sharing this info!!

I certainly see some highlights in the draft that give me peace of mind. In Mi there’s roughly a handful of us doing it by the book.

Im cautiously optimistic that in the future it won’t be so hard to find honest hemp growers, processors, labs, etc who will find it beneficial to do such above-board things as lobby and participate in research

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It’s so fucking weird the mental gymnastics y’all hempbois do to convince yourselves you’re not drug dealers.

Drug dealers ain’t the ones who were putting vitamin e in vapes, it was y’all hempbois. All the research chemicals are coming out of your camp. The legal market is responsible for the deaths of how many people, now? But you still use drug dealers as a derogatory statement?

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I don’t know what he meant. But I know what I heard when I saw it - and that was traditional market legacy operators.

But that doesn’t matter to me. What matters to me is what the legislators hear when we say it. What matters is the STIGMA associated with the plant is strong enough to continue to try and divide us when we should be standing together against the prohibitionists and government who has actively destroyed lives over this plant for nearly a century.

And what legislators hear is sensationalized drug traffickers (they still treat people like this all the time!) coming in guns blazing, living in villas, and generally out to hurt everyone and rape their daughters. They don’t see the pharma companies as villains - even though they have killed so many people. So so many people. And that’s fucked because even our own community continues this bullshit stigma ridden fiction. It hurts my heart.

And even so many people are completely disenfranchised from medicine - which always seems intentional to me when I wear my tinfoil hat.

The real key for me is safe access. Access that doesn’t cause your supplier or you to end up in prison. Access that is safe enough that you don’t have to wonder if its weed or if its some stinging nettles or god knows what else. Access that is affordable so you and your family don’t break the bank to get the medicine you need.

And the rest - everything that isn’t medicine, that’s just gravy. Its letting the world have a relief valve that doesn’t come in a bottle of poison.

But what I want and what legislators seem to be saying they want are so different. They want tax revenue. They still seem to want an effective prison pipeline for their slaves. They still seem to want more designer drugs by pharma companies to fix what ails you, instead of a plant that evolution designed to help you. Sometimes they talk about not that but always there is the STIGMA fear of criminality.

Its a strange place for sure. In recent months I’ve seen kiddos sick in hospitals from unregulated products - and I don’t want that. I don’t want someone to think they have SAFE ACCESS when really what they have is junk.

So I’m hopeful that people will continue as they are, but with a little more guidance on foods and dietary supplements. And that whoever decides to pick these things up on the pharma side (assuming anyone does…) won’t fuck it up royally.

I’ve gotten so much of what I’ve been working for in the last 25 years in the last couple of years. That really I just want to feel grateful and I am!

But the fight goes on. Legislators were still talking about CRIMINALS. They were still talking LAW AND ORDER. They were angry that they had fucked the rules up and that people were getting high and shouldn’t be. They were pissed off royally that the courts were not on their side. And they did not seem interested at all in loosening the reins - and when asked about why they pointed to criminals (which included me!), they pointed to bad actors hurting children (in the news!), and they pointed to frustrations that good farmers are being lumped in with criminals.

Which means they are hearing the message but the STIGMA is still so loud that they cannot overcome their fear. We have to help them with that. By standing together and not denigrating each other.

But that’s just my take on it. Its a heavy lift I know. Even I don’t agree with what some companies are doing. And I think that many of those things are against the law. But I haven’t yet met a group that was willfully working to hurt people - only those ignorant of appropriate practices. And those honestly trying to bring people access but unable to afford to do it to the level one would expect in a regulated market.

So even though I want us all to be working to the same set of standards. I don’t call those that are not interested in doing so criminals, capitalist pigs perhaps, but never criminals. :wink:

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No, hemp boys did not put vitamin E in vapes, that was black market. And hospitalizations have occured both still delta 8 and delta 9, both exceedingly rare. Naturally occuring cannabinoids aren’t drugs. The mental gymnastics y’all do to portray us as thcpo addicts when we’re just stoners like you.

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First of all, both. Second of all, the drug dealers that came before are the ones I respect. The drug dealers today are a different breed and we don’t want this market shifting back into the fentanyl space. To say you respect those that came before trying to spread access in 2000 Cali, but not respect those pushing THCA in dry states today is mental gymnastics my guy

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I could not have said this better myself, especially about those just ignorant to doing it better. I have never met anyone who was trying to hurt people, that comes from BM these days. And frankly I’m sick of pretending d8 is dangerous. Shitty lab techs are dangerous.

I’m also so confused to why the cannabis community got in this place. If you are a hemp person and want to comment on this, great. Otherwise why do you care and actively cheer for the downfall of other people who provide jobs and run small businesses? People who have the same mission of access.

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No one who sold me weed a decade ago told me to go open a store and call it hemp

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You’re really gunna lie and say vitamin E wasn’t being marketed and sold as a diluent for vapes?

You forget what website you’re on? The records are permanent.

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And yet its the only medicine theyve ever found that completely prevents vomiting when taken before chemotherapy

Even water is dangerous, you ever hear about the radio station that did a water drinking contest to win a wii and someone died?

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That’s awesome. How many people going into the THCa cookies store are cancer patients though?

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It’s us, dividing us. We’re self-segregating.

Like you said — We’re working on further legalizing cannabis for the benefit of capital expenditures, while it’s still illegal for me to give a buddy a bag of weed in exchange for him buying us lunch.

Lotta people who joined the legal market are bitter, and resentful of the black market. Lotta the stigma is coming from inside the house.

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Nausea medicine can be used for much more then cancer patients. I know a few people who use d8 for epilepsy and a few who use it for crones disease also.

The point is anything can kill you even drinking water. Its all about dosage

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conversions without diluents are in the results, but it’s a pretty wide spread results wise

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I live in the state where the most folks died from Vitamin E. It was black market. Arrests were made.

I’ve seen plenty of MCT oil used, but I’d venture to say the vast majority of products are made correctly.

Again, out of the tens of millions of these products sold we have single digit cases of adverse reactions that didn’t involve other health issues. These products are safe compared to almost any other industry.

Update: deaths, not reactions.

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Why are you the arbiter of such a thing? Even if it’s 1% does that not matter to help that person? You have an awfully high moral ground.

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