Link to the paper backing the ill effects vaping can have on your body in this article Nicotine-free e-cigarettes can damage blood vessels: Single instance of vaping immediately leads to reduced vascular function -- ScienceDaily
Theres no telling where those came from either. That packaging is sold all over the internet… theres a store in my area that Carrie’s Dank vapes and Exotic Carts packaging as well.
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Seems like a different threat compared to the severe lung damage people are popping up with… I tried to tell people years ago when all this started that vaping all these other products was completely without proper research. I’d be especially interested in seeing what other things are being produced during vaporization of some of the newer vaporizing options.
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This paper is explaining the effects of carriers not used in the cartridge game at large. It is irrelevant to the blends being smoked by the majority of the cannabis market.
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We all accept long term risks breathing anything but unpolluted air.
As I understand it these are geographically isolated incidents, not widespread issues in the industry. These people are not reported to have preexisting conditions, although one in California was elderly.
These people were hospitalized for severe acute respiratory distress syndrome. In my nonprofessional opinion these people vaped some seriously nasty shit, not a 10% MCT pen.
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This thread is hilarious @Future4200
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Lots of blackmarket cart producers are still using PG, which is what this paper is looking at. Majority of the cannabis market is vaping bm carts… Which part of that is irrelevant?
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That is 2017 facts sir. I happen to see a whole lot of black market carts. I have seen one pg cart in one year (since this time last year)
I test all sorts of carts. Cutting with pg/vg is much harder than cutting with mct. Fractionated mct is pennies more per cart than normal mct.
Instead of knocking peoples hustles in general, you can use your platform/visibility for education. blacklist level insta posts are great for sparking drama and getting views.
We are putting customers over clout, right?
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I have to agree that the majority of the black market has moved away from pg/vg/peg in my experience as well. The downside with that is there are a lot of people experimenting with different cutting agents without any real idea how it’ll affect end users.
Last year a cx brought me an Olive oil cart asking what was wrong with it… fucking Olive oil people… wtf.
I’m not sure I get the blacklist level insta post statement. Customers over clout all day, which is why we should be informing customers when things like this come to light. If bm carts/or e-cig vape juice is causing health issues, until they get worked out what it was people should be cautious.
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Im talking about reactionary instagram images.
I can give you the answer to how to fix this
The cartridge fillers form a union and knock over operations that jeopardize their way of life. People using pg/vg/unscrupulous cuts. People using rcs in their blends. People that knowingly put out dirty liters.
We as the community can call out companies utilizing “proprietary” ingredients and poisons. An example of this is what happened to true terps.
If we police ourselves, the feds dont have as much cover to fight us and have to stick their necks out to grasp at their straws. Giving the feds ammunition is betraying the cannabis community.
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So don’t post relevant scientific papers because they hurt your bottom line?
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I am very curious as to what floraplex’s uber thick is. Everyone seems to have jumped on board saying its the best (I personally cant deal with it in my body for some strange reason) but no one here, except @FloraplexTerpenes knows whats in it. I dont think that this caused any serious issues like lung failure, but it is possible that people can have serious allergic reactions to substances they have never encountered before, and I think we’re all in agreement that it is as sketchy as mineral oil to be vaping mystery substances that A & B companies claim is safe…
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They posted what it was and I forget what the ingredients were but it was more than just terpenes and was different from the other one they make
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@anon56994712 I saw ingredients posted for the thickener and the diluent but not the uber thick, did i miss it? I searched the search for it to no luck
true it may have been the thickener that I am thinking of
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They aren’t relevant at all.
Who still uses eliquid carriers? Lets talk about relevance. How many cartridges have you smoked on to make the distinction that eliquid is relevant? How many of these eliquid outfits have you encountered?
How many dabs do you take? That is vaporizing too.
Smoking is vaporizing, and when you are smoking, you are also breathing in burnt waxes/fats/lipids and carbon dioxide/monoxide. Yes, cartridges are a new industry that is still learning, but it has the potential to be the cleanest route for vaporizing thc.
Now let’s talk about my bottom line. I accept money for the shit I absolutely have to. You can ask your members. I make them jump through hoops just to pay me. I also never got in bed with an operation that poisoned people, documented or undocumented market.
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Nobody said anything about vaping THC. This whole thread is about vaping unsafe additives. I posted a paper that corroborates the fact that vaping unsafe additives is bad for your health.
I publicly called out True Terpenes and issued a warning to all of the GLG members about their potentially unsafe products
I find it strange how upset you seem to be over me posting a scientific paper that shows how unsafe vaping pg is
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You can find it strange all you want. When I did cut I utilized caprylic acid and I shared that with your community to help stop the pen operations from filling peoples lungs with c10-12 mct, which was the standard last year.
I have also cut with cannabanoids in the past, and I have been VERY vocal about this.
I am upset because when you target vapers/vape makers as a general group, I get included with unscrupulous people. That’s not cool at all.
There are a ton of skeletons in the cartridge world closet (plastic components, brass components, cotton’s resistance to terpenes, sillicone dioxide terpene resistance) but PG/VG has been reduced to a pinky bone in 2019.
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Have you found a domestic manufactured cart?
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I have tried only one domestically manufactured cart, and it was a terrible prototype that was still made out of brass. If you would like to take that route, it would require a lot of suffering for very little reward.
The reason cartridges are not manufactured here, is because the united states government would hobble that industry before it could get off the ground. Tobacco has a very large presence in the government.
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