So far, we mostly see here COA indicating at least 20% of unknown…
I happend to see the same in such products.
What is in general not presented by the labs, is a comparison between a quantitative (calibrated determination of known compounds) and qualitative interpretation (global %area of all identified compound). Interestingly, with a well calibrated GC, both information are usually very consistent. Which means that if the unknown are not identified, they can at least be quantified, and are very likely mostly cannabinoids and terpenes.
In d8 synthesis, there is usually another notable peak. I start to think that it may be d10 in fact. Still d10 standard is not available. And there are two isomers…
I guess very few people may have all those cannabinoids under hands, characterized and all, perhaps in Mechoulam or ElSohly labs.
That’s what I often read here, mainly from HPLC data. So far I was buying that.
I use a different setup.
In natural CBD products, there is always CBC. In some specific products, another compound can be seen next to CBC. At some point, I started to receive series of distilates from the same source, where main cannabinoids ratio were changed (but consistent with classic cbd distillates), but also where that CBC peak would be obviously split in two, or even shifted (thus not cbc anymore). I thought they were achieving a specific cbc alteration, and infered this was d10… but perhaps I’m wrong.
In any case, with my method, I don’t see anything in the CBC region with such samples.
Could we take a look at it? We’re working on adding more cannabinoids to our method, it would be interesting to see if we can determine the mystery component(s)…
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I still don’t see why we are selling bastard D8 batches like this. This is why we can’t have nice things. I understand that that synthesis process from CBD “can” yield other isomers(some blind), but we really cant be having folks ingest or inhale things like this without proper understanding of the unknown compounds.
Health issues arising from sketchy products are going to draw more and more regressive action against the current hemp laws. D8 is already pushing the boundaries of the hemp bill, rightfully, but we really don’t need carcinogenic hot dog water being sold as D8?
i worry about the unknowns, but MUCH more about the knows. poor or no reagent cleanup, unsanitary meth house toilets used for conversion, bottling etc.
Can this not be sold as “d8 crude, not for human consumption”. I don’t know much about chromatography, is it not worth trying to purify? Maybe it’s more cost effective to start from scratch and convert more better?
Posting a starting material is easy. Believing it was the starting material after a conversion? I find the end COA to be the most important. Sure we can play send me your starting material coa and conversion material coa and chromatograph.
D8 crude is such a random addition of two words because d8 is made by conversion from starting material that has already been extracted. it isn’t a crude (or initial extract) or ever can be labeled as so to my understanding. Maybe d8 made from crude is surely what you meant? that’s possible? I just don’t see how the labeling would apply.
D8 lab results have shown inconsistencies and make it a roll of the dice on what to believe is what. At no fault to the provider and complete fault to these testing facilities.
If anything we need to set a standard for lab results and stop accepting any % “unknown” as a full result.
But how realistic is this? In a world that barely started allowing this plant. I love how far we’ve come to raising the bar. If my friends who showed me brick weed could see how things are progressing now…
while it’s easy to blame bad labs - there are also good labs around. if you’re going to be in the biz, it’s 100% on you to make sure the lab you use - and the COA’s for everything you sell are consistent and accurate.
Edit: I formulated an edible, had it tested and 4 samples came back within .03mg of the targeted D8 for a 5gr sample. Good labs are out there.
4 labs being within .03 mg is PURE CHANCE. bullshit more likely. Doesn’t matter how amazing they are. To be within .03 across 4 labs is sheer luck.
Mainly because that level is soooooo subjective at that point. Every reading is up to how the machine was calibrated and how they evaluate the curves.
Even if they were the best labs in the world and had 10 labs test the same sample 100 times every lab would get probably 80 different tests with only 20 of them being An identical match To one of the other 80, and that’s just 1 lab. Never the less comparing the 100 tests against another labs 100 tests.
It’s half the reason the .3 thc level is dumb as shit.
Ahhhhhi just assumed you sent 4 samples to 4 labs as idk why you’d need to send 4 samples of the same batch to the same lab? What’s the point? Maybe 2?
But 4 out of the same exact pot of mixture seems a bit redundant. I send 2 tests max but usually 1 test to 3 labs. 1 lab can fuck it up. 2 labs agreeing on a fuck up and I ducked up. 2 labs agreeing and 1 giving me the result I expected means more testing to be done!
formulation of the batches was from material analyzed by the same lab several months earlier. So the original material coa was confirmed by these later batches of less than 10mg samples. The source material coa matched up with in house hplc.
I’m not saying that it’s safe, just that there is precedent for synthetics at as low as 60% being sold for years. Maybe Guild can chime in at some point about some of the work they’ve done to validate safety.
