Owners hired a basement grower and garage extractor to plan their facility. They went to the big conventions and ate up the CXE sales pitches and marketing. Some sales guy told them they can infuse fruit extract with oil within their CXE system (I’m not sure why that’s a selling point, lol). Then I came on board, and I’m trying to undo muchall of those plans, lol.
The 1,200 sq. ft. extraction lab and 500 sq. ft. kitchen (gummies/chocolates) are still under construction. Phase 2 will increase the lab and kitchen areas twofold. Orignal phase 1 plans called for a 1,500 sq ft kitchen and 375 sq. ft. extraction lab
My experience and knowledge lean heavily toward large-scale cultivation, but I am not new to extraction. I try to know what I don’t know, so I’d welcome any input to set me straight!
We will have hydrocarbon extraction, probably going with the X10 Extraction Lab Package (but that’s a question for a different thread). Planning for fresh frozen runs with -80’C 100% propane for live resin and HTFSE concentrates, so CXE for terpenes doesn’t seem to be a strong argument in favor of CXE vs. cryo-EtOH.
CXE vs. cryo-ethanol centrifuge:
Products: Full/broad spectrum oil and distillate
CXE pros: Terp run and low solvent cost
CXE cons: Everything else
Cryo-EtOH pros: Everything else
Cryo-EtOH cons: No terp separation and higher solvent cost
Would you choose CXE like Vitalis Q-Series or cryo-EoTH like ACE40 (Curian) C-40E (Precision)?
I chose cryo-EtOH from Precision. I would have gone with @MACHTechologies.Luke if I would have meet him 5 weeks earlier. American made everything with MACH and still get the great low temp controlled ethanol extraction.
I buy my terps from people running hydrocarbons - because we all have our pros.
I also use local food grade ethanol that isn’t costing me an arm and a leg. Its distilled right here in Michigan and gets delivered when I need it the same day. -shrug- Not crazy expensive at all, indeed it is significantly cheaper per batch running than our estimated costs with hydrocarbon, and a quite a bit safer as well.
There are folks on here that will legit design your space for you - so you can always ask for consulting help. <3
Thanks! Great info. I haven’t heard of @MACHTechologies.Luke. I’m in MI as well, just moved here from Cali a few weeks ago. I would love some local plugs like your ethanol and terp suppliers if you don’t mind. Any recommendations on forum consultants I should hit up?
@Ralf Hit me up…620.591.0634
We have been making specialty capital equipment for 90 years and have some of the best automated solutions for Cry-Ethanol and Terpenes. Let’s chat…
@Cassin You are a rockstar and I can’t wait to get you running on MACH
@Ralf Hit me up…620.591.0634
We have been making specialty capital equipment for 90 years and have some of the best automated solutions for Cry-Ethanol and Terpenes. Let’s chat…
@Cassin You are a rockstar and I can’t wait to get you running on MACH
Thanks to everyone for posting! It’s crazy how much extraction systems have improved over the past few years. And it’s fantastic that the best players and consultants are on this site! Color me impressed!
I’m excited for the future, and to get your consultation and systems into operation, soon!
Vitalis is trash for CXE, it’s solvent flow and CXE injection is heated before the extraction vessel.
The reason you run CXE is to obtain extraction efficiency at low pressures and temperatures. Cyclones and separators are not designed for CXE and will struggle at the low temperatures that CXE needs to run at.
With a properly designed CXE system you can extract fresh frozen material and winterize inline directly out of the separators. Your total working solvent volume will be reduced by 90%, so you can see that CXE has some advantages if you know how to use them. Attaching ethanol injection to a supercritical Co2 extraction system is not CXE at it’s best.
Hi @standardoil! We have a standard intake process for every client we work with! I am about as easy to find as they come. Feel free to reach out and talk to me about anything you need and I will happily get it for you!
Fill out the contact form on your website or email the sales@ or info@
Someone’s reaches out and asks for some info
You provide the info and ask pricing and other specs
The rep gives you the information you requested because that’s their job.
This is how every other company in the industry works and has worked for many years. Your attempt to re-invent the wheel on this very simple sales process has undoubtedly cost you sales (my associate went with a bzb hydrocarbon extractor and a tandem tech terpene extraction system because you couldn’t provide simple pricing and he wrote the check to someone that could)
I haven’t seen you working for any other companies so you must be new to this sphere along with Mach being a newer company as well. Please learn from other companies on how to treat customers.
And drop the pricing for your equipment in this thread please.
Sorry we have never had an opportunity to meet and learn from one another.
No one is reinventing the wheel, just like to have a relationship with my clients and if we can’t carve out some time for a quick call it’s not likely to be a successful working relationship.
And fyi not all customers are the same. You literally lost out on a 300k plus sale because you couldn’t give out pricing info to someone I work with.
Not everyone needs or wants to sit through a sales cal. Do you design the equipment? What are you adding to the sales process with the call besides being a gatekeeper of information that ultimately costs whomever you work for revenue?
I’m really at a loss with your refusal to share pricing when every competitor you have does the complete opposite. Where do you see this sales strategy getting you besides driving sales to your competitors when the customer reaches a brick wall with you?
Could not have said it any better…I can’t stand working with precision machines, or their “support” team. My hydrocarbon rig clogs up every run, the filter gaskets are not durable, everything is a welded 3/8" connection, so no hope of retrofitting anything for better flow. And the GC5000 recovery pump is an absolute lemon, it’s an intrinsically unsafe piece of equipment with the amount of reliability issues I’ve had with it…
