If it were up to me, I would roll back those mandates. People clearly don’t want them, and we might be getting to a point where people have made up their minds about getting the vaccine regardless of mandates.
But on the other hand, have the mandates increased the numbers of the vaccinated? Yes. Have they saved lives as a result? Probably, yeah.
I’ve gone back and forth on what I think about this, but recently I think I’ve come to the personal conclusion that in a free society, people should have the right to die, even foolishly, and even at the expense of healthcare workers, so long as they don’t kill others in the process. Given that this vaccine protects those who chose to get it so well, I think we can let loose on some of the mandates and restrictions. I haven’t mentioned the immunodeficient as part of this, and keep in mind that we now have evidence that being vaccinated DOES reduce your chance of getting the virus and therefore spreading it, even if only 50% at 5 months, and therefor it is somewhat inconsiderate to the immunocompromised and other unvaccinated people to not get it.
I think whatever we do, it’s important in our discussions to not confuse science, philosophy, and constitutional law. Those are all different matters that intersect, but they are not interchangeable with each other.
Also, take a look at Table 1 in the study I just linked to. 14% of those who were hospitalized had a healthy BMI. That doesn’t mean none of them lacked other risk factors, but a healthy weight isn’t enough to guarantee not ending up in the hospital.
*I will admit one conflict of interest in this paper that was funded by Pfizer: they had access to data on people who got the Moderna or J&J vaccine but did not analyze it! lol. They only reported effects for the Pfizer vaccine, at least that is my understanding from reading it.
Of course they can…… they are free to do what they want. Some may listen to all the stuff that @raghanded is saying and choose not to……
When did I ever say it did. I just said I hope none of the people he know are unvaccinated and obese as they are at risk and 2 out of 1000 ain’t the best odd.
That’s all I’m saying.
If there was a highway and they said 2 people of every 1000 that goes on that highway will die on there today. People might think of how safe that highway is.
Lifetime odds of death for selected causes, United States, 2019
Cause of Death Odds of Dying
Heart disease 1 in 6
Cancer 1 in 7
All preventable causes of death 1 in 24
Chronic lower respiratory disease 1 in 27
Suicide 1 in 88 Opioid overdose 1 in 92 Fall 1 in 106 Motor-vehicle crash 1 in 107
Gun assault 1 in 289 Pedestrian incident 1 in 543 Motorcyclist 1 in 899 Drowning 1 in 1,128 Fire or smoke 1 in 1,547 Choking on food 1 in 2,535 Bicyclist 1 in 3,825
Sunstroke 1 in 8,248
Accidental gun discharge 1 in 8,571
Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure 1 in 13,394
Sharp objects 1 in 29,334 Cataclysmic storm 1 in 58,669
Hornet, wasp, and bee stings 1 in 59,507
Hot surfaces and substances 1 in 63,113
Dog attack 1 in 86,781
Lightning 1 in 138,849
Railway passenger Too few deaths in 2019 to calculate odds
Passenger on an airplane Too few deaths in 2019 to calculate odds
Motor vehicle death odds coming in at 1 in 107 for 2019… maybe a bad example?
Heart disease 1 in 6… lots of reports of myocarditis and other heart conditions coming from covid (and some from the vaccines)
Maybe there’s a correlation between stressed hearts and covid deaths…
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