CCELL to enforce ceramic patents. Clone-buyers Beware?

This uwell “report” is horseshit. They released that way back when they saw ceramic killing their market share. You’d have to literally crush these atomizers and snort them to get silicosis. This is like fear mongering residual butane as a shitty rosin presser. Uwell is or at least was dogshit leaded trash when they dropped this “report”.

The main problem with the ITC filing by Smoore is that their ceramic core argument is actually not very strong:

If you do analysis of their ceramic core, it took them over 5 years to get it approved because it was denied several times during the application process.

In order for their patent to be perfected and approved, they had to make the claim that the heating wire within their ceramic core is “internally tangent” to the ceramic, meaning that it is fully enclosed.

The problem with this claim is that even their own ceramic core is not “internally tangent” themselves, which actually violates previous patents filed in both the U.S. and China.

Regarding the ceramic core that we make, the heating wire is partially exposed and partially embedded into the ceramic. Therefore, it does not meet the criteria of being “internally tangent” and the sample they took of our coil, which does support their claim is a sample that is not consistent with our typical coil. A defect in production does not qualify as infringement by simply hand-picking a coil out of 100 samples that does meet the criteria does not qualify as
intentional violation of the Smoore patent. It will be interesting to see how they proceed as I’m sure that some of the other cartridges do infringe.

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How about the Ispire Ducore(two heating coil) technology? Is this in danger too? 微信截图_20211110152127

I don’t know enough about the design and architecture of their core to provide an accurate analysis. However, I believe SMOK was the first to design and offer a dual core in the past.

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Is Smok in the cannabis oil vaping business? I heard he is a giant in eliquid vape, did not see him here.

SMOK has not focused heavily on the cannabis industry, but there are rumors that they are about to get into it very soon. They recently built a world-class “pharmaceutical-grade” factory that was designed for cannabis and big tobacco. However, my guess is they are 4-6 months away.

Based on my knowledge, SMOK is the 2nd largest manufacturer in the world behind SMOORE.

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Great to know that. Thanks.

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Or just test for ceramic dust in first puffs!!

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Just saw title of thread…

SMOK has cartridges now, and they perform down to the weight of a hit and as reliably as a CCELL does, but at a much lower price. SMOK will have a bunch of new canna-stuff coming out in 4-6 months as @AVID has mentioned.

CCELL won’t enforce ceramic patents against SMOK because SMOK can do the same type of patent enforcement against Smoore/CCELL on many other innovations.

SMOK, Smoore, First Union and Aspire own almost all the good enforceable patents. It will be interesting to see if Smoore goes after Ispire, because their dual coil is patented, but is it different enough than a CCELL patent to fight an IP war on the Chine or US side? TBD.

The safest bets for cartridges and disposables that are likely to keep a vape brand afloat are CCELL, plus likely SMOK and First Union. Any listed via the ITC above feel risky at best.

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It’s hard to say, because the dual coil may or may not be different enough to not lose an IP battle to Smoore. My guess is the single coil Ispire cartridge will be in the cross-hairs of Smoore soon, hence dragging their dual coil into the IP conversation.

From my experience, Ispire’s dual-coil tech is amazing IF your audience prefers big hits and hot vapor. Would it be a good idea to invest in heavy metal emissions testing for this product? It might not be a bad idea for it or any cartridge, as consumer safety should always be one’s first consideration. That and Colorado begins heavy metal emissions testing in January. Cya by always testing everything.

The Napalm Tank by Ispire is pretty sexy, and a vapor beast, though CCELL, SMOK and First Union (tied to big tobacco mafia) are preferred.

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I used to use a nicotine vape and the Smok products were always hands down the best. If they offer a cannabis vape I’m definitely going to have to try it.

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Can confirm. Smok cannabis hardware is great stuff. Tested on D8, D9, flower, etc.

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:sweat_smile: if you know you know.

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