How does your converted Disti behave?
After distillation ours looks always waterclear.
High d8 and high d9 reactions look the same.
But the high d9 disti turns completely purple if it is exposedto air, no matter how much we neutralise the acid.
Anybody noticed the same? I assume this is just oxidation
Are you using argon during reflux?
we pay close attention to water and air. So yes, the entire experiment was performed under argon atmosphere.
So color changes post reaction are usually ph induced; what is happening here is a change in oxidation states, which in turn changes valence electron configurations; which changes the ways photons interact with the molecules at a quantum level; this is called a chromatic shift.
it also may be do in part to being isolate converted material; isolate doesnt have the natural “antioxidants” that conventional distillates do; even high purity conventionally extracted distillates have trace impurities; without having “sacrificial oxidants” within the material; theres nothing to oxidize but cannabinoids; hence the rapid and consistent discoloration.
what i would do is; work on your neutralization; approach this stoichiometrically; also the addition of a small amount of conventional material will greatly reduce the rapid oxidation and will make the color more “natural”
This stuff showed up in my country, I said they should stop poison people never seen oxidation on converted inhere like this. It was sold to them as d9
They say it show up completely clear after 3-4times of opening the jar its turned red
Yes, my experience so far is that isomerized CBD (mainly containing D8 and D9) is initially clear but turns into red color (for preservative reasons I don’t distill off all alcohol but keep it as fluid - Ethanol). Also, generally speaking, a color shift from clear to red indicates larger particle size, and since the official known solubility of D9 in Ethanol is limited, at least D9 will turn to insoluble nanoparticles that aggregates to larger particles and finally precipates to the bottom if the concentration becomes to low).
Ethanol is not a good solvent for such synthesis.
It promotes much more heterogeneous reactions. Acetone, diethylether, methanol, are not good neither.
Non polar hydrocarbons are way better.
Heptane seems to be the top (for d8).
This was toluene and ptsa.
We had an older batch laying around for a longer time. It turned purple, too.
When we heated the distillate and poured some ethanol in it (to clean out the jar), the purple disappeared immediately.
Look up into phenol-quinone redox behaviour.
Along with changes in oxidation state, color may even be due to the further formation of complexes. Despite the dramatic color change, it seems that the reaction in ambiant conditions is very limited. (No notable drop in cannabinoid content)
they dont sell that stuff to anyone though. and especially not to residential areas.
Anyone try a simple ultrasonic bath with overhead stir?
Cbd+heptane+ptsa?
Set to 90F. Turn on ultrasonic and take samples every half hour to see how it does.
Maybe find a way to cap and seal the top and backfill with argon before starting
one day im going to pull the trigger on one of these badboys
ahh yes, I’m sure that everyone who is in this hash making forum to turn CBD into what is likely an illegal drug in their area will be totally dissuaded from using these catalysts because of their lack of over-the-counter availability…
Yeah, I think not.
You can achieve >90% d9 with chemicals that are far less dangerous and much much easier to handle.
If you are not able to reach that high numbers, you likely won’t reach those numbers with organometallics.
Reading a paragraph in a patent is not the same as reading a recipe in a cookbook.
Don’t be fooled by that number in the patent.
I’ve had a buddy try and purchase triibAl from multiple different vendors. Sigma, Alfa and a handful of others and he was denied of purchase by literally every single one.
Probably because your buddy does not have a legitimate business that has a legitimate use for said catalyst.
There is a lot of god reasons why sigma wont sell to joe smo off the street for their residential chemical endeavors.
Dude was in a industrial area with a legitimate licensed facility. I mean he had a Bizzy falling film, delta cup 30, a few wipers… I mean he was far from being a joe smo.
Wasn’t saying my buddy was in a residential are. But I know for sure they won’t sell or ship to any customer that’s in a residential area. Or at least that’s what was told to me via email by one of their reps.
But given that’s it’s a pyrophoric… needs a glove box to safely handle and not to mention it being a mutagenic I completely understand why it’s not very easy to get…
Just because you have some extraction equipment that doesnt qualify you to order dangerous and hazardous chemicals from sigma. It take a lot more than that. How would it look for sigma to sell a catalyst to your Joe NOT Smo and he gives it to his buddy in his garage, he blows up the whole neighborhood and then it gets tracked back to ole Joe (soon to be) FELON Smo and how he thought it would be cool to hook up a buddy with some catlyts so his buddy could cook that ever so poplar d8.
Do us all a favor and stick to the catalysts that wont blow your garage up and leave the complicated reactions to the people with legit labs set up to run them.
Do you know what pyrophoric means? and do you know that Triisobutylaluminum is pyrophoric?
Could you share a picture of your garage and the systems you have in place to handle polyphoric materials?
I see you just added this edit… So why are you arguing about your friend not being able to get it?
I’m not arguing. All I was trying to say is it’s not easy to get that’s all.
And I’ve got pics but I don’t really think that’s necessary now is it?
Also, I don’t think anyone would want to try and use triibAl or any pyrophoric for making D8. Given that there’s so many other methods for making D8. Plenty listed on here like the one from iLLnye and others that use other safer acids like tosic acids and bronstead acids and not Lewis acids.
