Carboxylation - Adding the "a" back to THC

Try it and find out. It will come up differently on HPLC so you’ll know based on chromatogram.

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Has anyone gotten results from using cbd isolate instead of Resorcinol?

https://pubs.rsc.org/-/content/articlelanding/1952/jr/jr9520003503/unauth#!divAbstract

This paper says interesting things regarding carboxylation.

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Try the ledhenstul reaction, i can share the sop @rowan

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That looks to be a typo-

https://sci-hub.tw/https://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/1969/C2/c29690000343#!divAbstract

like this then no one needs to know.

fight club style :speak_no_evil: :speak_no_evil: :speak_no_evil:

DOI please :slight_smile:
if that works why not just use dry ice to generate the CO2.

I doubt that carboxylation of phenols is that easy though.

https://sci-hub.tw/10.1515/gps-2016-0116
https://sci-hub.tw/10.1021/acs.iecr.6b03250

how I would try to do this :slight_smile:

though I would think an RT formylation would be a great way as well.
though I would be worried for all the double bonds with the oxidation.

maybe straight oxygen would be good enough for the oxidation.

It works well enough to convert benzyl aldehyde.

make the RT formylation then leave the aldehyde after putting through bisulfite and back to purify
in a watch glass on the bench overnight.

I bet you will have your acid in the morning.

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why would one need tfa its a little bit of overkill for a phenol.

maybe for some electron withdrawn phenol ethers like bromo dimethoxy benzene but acetic
acid would be more than fine for THC I would think.

for those not knowing the reaction anon93688 has suggested is the duff formylation which
there is a wonderfull write up on sciencemadness for one of the 2ct compounds :wink:
https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=11429
this is one of those could have published but gave it away. something for many here to learn from.

can tell you have a lab with a heap of reagents behind you :slight_smile:

it looks like thc can handle a wide ph range.

this thread on crystalization of THCA goes all the way up to 13 so a reimer tieman may work quite well.

O by the way there are some wizards on here but most off us are simple souls that cool a recipe we bought or got so if you want our interaction /attention forget the abbreviations and chemist terms cause we get lost :crazy_face:

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this is what upsets me :cry:

the idea that some people with a little knowlladge are selling “SOPS” to others with even less
knowlladge and they are cooking it up for human consumption is a worry.

I dont mind people learning and cooking what ever they want but it must be open source
so if things get a little screwed up in the “SOP” a wizard will know and can fix it and therefor
prevent the public being harmed.

I get what your saying and from what you have told me your quite able to do a high level of chemistry.

the carboxylation thread I kind of got a little pissed in was from a man who tells everyone he has
worked with a pharma company for 20 years to develop a simple reaction that should have taken a couple of months to develop max.
he then defends selling this info with the statement that he is trying to get something for his hard work
and that he knows that the reaction set he is supplying is safe for amatures to preform.

I then make a statement about lithium reagents which he instantly thinks means lithium reducing agents as he has no idea what a lithium reagent is :slight_smile:
do you want that mans work out in the community. there is no one to check if what he teaches
is safe.
but yes I shall keep the chem jargon down for now on or at least explain things more.

I will publish what ever I do here for free (though under a different name to keep me out of trouble
squig is a nick I have had since I was in high school)

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Do not underestimate @onemadalchemist and several of the other wizards and lets try to stay in positive feedback :fist_left:

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here is one that has not been mentioned and some how is around the 90% yield range and is I would
call safe to give to people as a SOP crack crack :slight_smile:

v89p0220.pdf (1.2 MB)

again after making the aldehyde I would leave it in a watch glass to oxidize over night
then I would take the acid up into a basic water mix and and crystalize out of water
as stated in the thread linked above.

no chloroform so no possiblity of people forgetting they have it and generating phosgene
(as bad if not worse than Hydrogen Cyanide) from it sitting over time.

no need for organic acids which are linked to manufacture of amphetamines.

for the triethyl amine look into maxwell capacitors as they have a trifluroborate salt of triethylamine
in acetonitrile as there electrolite.
they have just been bought out by tesla too as that mad mans main power source.

I would not use acetonitrile as the solvent though sticking to an aromatic like xylene.

as for the formaldehyde polymer (paraformaldehyde)

I would make it from fish ich medicine a malachite formaldehyde solution (37% formaldehyde)
that is available world wide.

then I would polymerize it with acid.

ill have a look into it when the CBD is legal here which is not far off but i think that looks like the easiest highest yeilding path that is obtainable in all countries.

other salts can be used instead of magnesium chloride like tin salts and iron salts.

at a guess I would say the tin salts would be the go.

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Pinnick oxidation.

yes I know with a sacrificial alkene ect to protect the molecule

but …

have you not noticed that the scavenger Resorcinol is much like the CBx cannabiniods

plus hypo is truly speed cook material.

turn the hypo phosphite salt to hypophosporic acid then add iodine and psuedoephedrine.

and finaly why if oxygen works use anything but time its just one less impurity that you have to
remove.

still if it works then use it.

I guess you guys are all dropping the stuff down a column afterwards and sending it off
for hplc afterwards.

im not wanting to get into the market :slight_smile:
I want to make it so people at home can turn there CBD into crystal THC its not about the money.

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first we have to be able to pull it out of MCT :slight_smile:
then we have to be able to convert it to THC
then we have to find a way to purify it without all the short path and chrom shit.
so turn it to an acid and go through A/B

get a few test kits from poland for like 14 euro and its anyones game.

it sells for $300+ a gram USD in the states.
thats more expensive than crack smack or ice

thats cool and more fun than selling sops

on a second note I love that it come straight out of osyn :slight_smile:
that just makes it even more like fishing for children with candy its in the biggest
organic chemistry book there is and its open source to the world itself :slight_smile:
HAHAHAHA
its like selling some one linux

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Ain’t nobody paying 300 a g.

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https://onlinebudsdispensary.com/product/thca-isolate-absolutextracts-1-gram-99-2-thca/

so it would seem

Looks like 4gs at $78/g

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you are right sorry
I have missed that and quite a big error too,

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A little on the oxidation of benzoic aldehydes to benzoic acids via air
or at least a mention.
from the book

Justus Von Liebig: The Chemical Gatekeeper

It was Wohler and Liebig that found that benzaldehyde oxidized in the air though it was
Carl Strange that Identified the crystals as the acid.

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Sciencemadness thread on the formation of paraformaldehyde from formalin solution
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=19529

this used vacuum distillation to generate the paraformaldehyde
but if no vacuum is used the formalin can be distilled to make a clean solution of formalin
which I have done quite a few time from the fish medication

edit due to no triple post rule


with more searching it seems the best source of the triethyamine for the formylation
would be
Triclopyr Triethylamine Salt Cas 57213-69-1

a couple of examples of products with this in them are
TEA salt1.pdf (94.9 KB) TEA salt2.pdf (233.3 KB)


how to create our anhydrous magnesium chloride salt by going through ammonium magnesium chloride hexahydrate.

https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.apt.2010.01.003

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Nitromethane in Polyphosphoric Acid A New Reagent for Carboxyamidation and Carboxylation of Activated Aromatic Compounds

Nitromethane in Polyphosphoric Acid—ANew Reagent for Carboxyamidation andCarboxylation of Activated AromaticCompounds.pdf (186.7 KB)

Distilling Nitromethane from OTC RC car fuel (Go Kyosho Inferno all the way)

How to make PolyPhosphoric acid by heating hydroponics ph down.
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=69862

Typical Procedure: Preparation of Benzoic Acids 7a–d
Corresponding aromatic compound 1a–d (1 mmol) and nitromethane 2
(0.244 g, 4 mmol) in PPA (3–4 g) was stirred at 90–95 C for 5–8 h (Table 2). The
reaction mixture was poured in water (30 mL) with intense stirring and then cooled
to 0 C, and sodium nitrite (0.069 g, 1 mmol) was added. The reaction mixture was
stirred at this temperature for 15 min, and benzoic acids 7a–d were precipitated.
The resulting mixture was extracted by CH2Cl2 (1030mL). The solution was evaporated
under vacuum; the residue was purified by crystallization from water.

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