I’m not selling mine. And no one has asked.
I use mine in-house.
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Surfactant to oil ratio is the ratio of surfactant to the ratio of oil in an emulsion. What you fail to realize is that our premix is mostly composed of material that is not surfactant (in fact a good portion of the premix is actually water) and the premix does contain a carrier oil. Both of these facts imply that the surfactant to oil ratio of a product produced with our premix would be far below the 4:1 usage ratio. In fact it’s less than 1:1.
The container choice is purely coincidental . Turns out there are only so many containers commonly available for products of this volume with wide mouths. We manufacture our premix in house.
Another thing that’s quite unique about our product is it is designed for high processing temperatures of 60 to 70° C. At a 5 to 7% active ingredient load, on a q2000, you should be able to process at least 5 L per hour and achieve a particle size of 40 nanometers.
I’ll answer the rest of your questions in the next post
I don’t fail to realize that. I know that. I probably used Goo before you started selling your product…
What you’re missing is the point: A high SOR is bad for quite a reasons, and limited oil phase load isn’t the only one.
All I’m pointing out, is your SOR is very high, and that is very indicative of modified coconut oil.
Like I said depends on your active, but most of our clients have no trouble going up to 6.5-7% active ingredient load.
Our emulsion does not suffer from refrigeration issues. At 5% active ingredient it’s totally stable refrigerated for months on end we don’t have data on the higher concentrations, but I wouldn’t imagine it would be an issue.
Call Qsonica if you like, and ask them who they recommend. They will tell you they recommend us over axiom
Last tip: That’s not a good thing for our industry. You’re customers should be processing around 30-35’C. This has to due with densities, infacial tensions, effects on a.i., and so on…
Which is right in line with modified coconut oil max loads.
What is your surfactant, then, if not modified coconut oil?
I’m out. I’ve said my peace. People can make up their own minds. But a tip: don’t act like spammer.
Sirextractalot, would you try out our premix if We sent you a free sample? Message me with your address and I’ll have one sent to you.
I don’t, but thank you for the offer. I’d rather you tell us what your sufactant is, if not modified coconut oil.
It’s actually three surfactants. that’s another thing that makes our product a bit unique. It’s a synergistic blend of three. We only share the ingredient identities with clients, and we usually require them to sign an ingredients disclosure agreement. If you like our product enough to commit to buying a larger quantity of it, we would share provided you signed the agreement with us.
Yeah, I get your point about temperature. With CBD we don’t see any degradation over the course of 2 hours of processing at those temperatures. with THC, we tell clients to make sure they keep it under 65 C.
It sounds like you really know your stuff. What’s your background?
It’s not unique, it’s bullshit. And you’re full of the same organic matter if you’re still trying to claim you don’t use modified coconut oil. And adding two other surfactants doesn’t negate that. I can think of at least a half a dozen surfactants you could have your supplier add to your version of their product.
Without any malice: You will need to change your plans and cost if you intend to survive. Axiom also thought they could pull that off, and it failed, and they also had to drop their prices by about 50% to stay in business.
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I can promise you no modified coconut oil, and also no polysorbates or PEG. And I’ve already told you we manufacture our premix in house. We do not have anyone else manufacture it for us.
We are aware of that this is a price sensitive arena. if you compare the cost in use of our product versus axioms or industrial sonomechanics’ (at least based on their pricing from 6 months ago, which is the most current we have on hand) we are at nearly 1/2 the price of either of those other products. we do offer bulk discounts as well for clients who want to purchase a large quantity (4kg of Pre-Mix is $2500, which will emulsify 1kg of active)
When comparing price you have to remember that our product only requires 4 kg of premix to emulsify 1 kg of active. ISM and axiom require 5-6kg (respectively) of emulsifier blend to emulsify 1 kg of active.
and part of what you’re buying when you purchase our premix is our expertise. We provide quite a bit of free consulting to clients who are purchasing our premix. Unlike Axiom and ISM, we actually do process emulsion in-house for large clients (that’s why we have 3 q2000s and a 4000W Branson unit with a custom horn, which we designed in house). We have more processing expertise and formulation expertise when it comes to finished products than Axiom and ISM combined… we also manufacture our own ultrasonic flow cells… we’re not some one-trick-pony like Axiomm.
And anyone who’s produced high-end Nano emulsions ultrasonically should know that proper filtration is quite difficult. We have partnered with PALL to offer some extremely high-end filters that work excellent for this application. These are pharma-grade filters which happen to work really well for our nanoemulsion, they filter down to .2 microns and have a dual membrane design. We offer the best pricing around on industrial scale filtration solutions 10-100L and large lab-scale solutions 1-5L… with us it’s one stop shopping…
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Are you using Quillaja at all?
If you want an organic formulation, Quillaja is a good bet alone or in combination with other surfactants (lecithin for example). The only problem is that Quillaja has quite a bad taste, and is not going to get you much below 80-100nm average particle size.
I can’t speak any more to our ingredients without an order and a signed “Ingredients Disclosure Agreement”, but I can say our formula is free of Polysorbates, PEGs, and “Modified Coconut Oil”
All of our ingredients are either 100% natural or naturally derived.
@jdet123 “ingredients disclosure agreement”…? sounds like you got it all figured out big dog 
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It’s a part of primary surfactant system along with a couple of other natural surfactants. I don’t use q-naturale at all.
I wouldn’t suggest use lecithin, phosphatidylcholine, or phosphatidylethanolamine with quillaja unless operating a high pressure homogenizer or using microfluidics. Even then it’s no worth it.
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I’m still an positive you’re using modified coconut oil. And while that’s not a bad thing at all, it’s important you’re honest with your customers about its pros, and its cons. Prove me wrong.
can I get a free sample? I am new to cbd but am starting a brand and may make liquids or use the emulsifier in gummies. Oops meant that to be a dm
@jdet123 I suggest you start a thread for you company, and your products. I am not going to post in it. The only reason I came at you hard is you posted like a spammer in two different threads on emulsions. The first two you noticed while scrolling, it seems.
Take some time. Introduce yourself, or starting posting to help people without ulterior motives.
People will forget the drama here.
You will get customers. But just act like other businesses owners are at this fourm.