Butane Contaminant Demystified

[Dukejohnson]

Hahahaha that bud wasn’t done and still went two more weeks but things ripen fast when you know how to grow
I have analytics and grow logs and have shown members here first hand these results lol.
I’d be happy to teach you about the impurities we already identified or how to grow better. Either way you are a joke coming in here like this

[Sidco_Cat]

@mcpikeig

I think the reason for the backlash against the gas companies is because of the heavy marketing that can be summed up as “don’t worry, we’re not just middlemen, we’re one of YOU GUYYYYSSSS” and then come to find out they are just middlemen trying to move as much gas as possible.

This 100%. If they were transparent about their lack of control over the supply chain, this would be a very different conversation.

[anon88836658]

@Dr.Kikkoman

What point are you trying to prove?

If I haven’t made my point about your ego, I’m not going to derail the thread further than I already have.
Cheers bro, you’re the coolest . I hope you feel satiated.

[anon88836658]

@Killa12345

But you keep giving them a pass. Do you not remember how hey were all pointing fingers about dirty coffee cups and stuff like that. I do business with most of these gas companies and i have no problem believing they ARE THE SOURCE of this problem and have from day 1 and knew about it!!!

Thanks for holding her accountable for her unrestricted apologism. I’ve said my piece, and I’m done.

[Killa12345]

@Sidco_Cat

If they were transparent about their lack of control over the supply chain, this would be a very different conversation.

No. Then we would be asking what kind of 3rd party testing do they perform to insure the content of their gas is what’s claimed.

[Dred_pirate]

He’s been making me want sushi all day

[thesk8nmidget]

All these new accounts popping up to try and claim this isn’t gas is HIGHlarious!!!

[cyclopath]

This should be n-butane. Let’s imagine thats what the big peak is.

Tell me anyone looking at the product they sell on a GC is not gonna notice this…

And yeah, I can dilute this and run it at 120C rather than 60c , then the butane peak looks almost reasonable…gets me done in 10min rather than 90, and gives me a “cleaner” COA.

Same way one can ignore D9 in their D8 if they try…

[Killa12345]

And if some degenerate like me can own of these machines because they don’t trust the oil I’m buying. Then surely a business can buy one and write it off as a tool or piece of machinery…….

Just saying!

[AlexSiegel]

It’s surprising to me that no one noticed methanol in their high terpene extracts. Everyone in California should have plenty of access to cheap high quality residual solvent testing

[Fyourmisinformation]

wouldnt be new accounts if censorship didnt occur ;). I tagged my name i aint hiding yall know it

[Fyourmisinformation]

Its because that aint the issue but who cares these guys solved it now give them all your money ;). COA’s require residual solvent testing, either every lab was in collusion to falsify methanol levels or methanol aint it. Im sure every testing lab was in collusion tho

[johnbigoilco]

The labs suck. I know so many labs dropping tests at 99% and 10% terps lol. All over the state. I’m supposed to trust them. We did have meoh pop on a few tests and I always assumed it was from the testing lab itself.

[Fyourmisinformation]

Agreed which further proves the point that even with analyticals we have no clue because the labs have no clue. Ive sent samples with terps and w.o and had higher thca concentrations on the ones “diluted” with a lil sauce

[johnbigoilco]

But the gas acts different. Has only been acting like this for a year and a few months. Has nothing to do with analyzing shit. Just hundreds of extractors across the country all experience the same thing over tbr same timeline.

[Photon_noir]

@Dukejohnson

I wish to add before the night ends that @SolventDirect_BigM has been a class act throughout all of this in our interactions. I myself have some questions about the article that I completely believe he will answer transparently and I ask you not go on a witch hunt for my regards. I’ll post an update after we chat but like I have said desires regarding credit and what not lay with those who have more to gain then myself. I have already been extremely blessed to be the messenger for our findings.

I’ve been dying to post this and a few close friends have pointed out the annoyance that will certainly come with posting this regarding people calling BS and potential drama.

I have spent the last 24 hours simultaneously in elation about the honor to share a scientific advancement on a level I never dreamed I could in an industry I’ve dedicated my life to, and laughing my way through angry messages and accusations from people whose financial gain I interrupted by our findings. I hurt some feelings today and I ate that shit up because I’m a savage.

Luckily my drive for this truly lies in it being something I never dreamed I would have the capacity to be a part of the solution for, and being someone who doesn’t let an opportunity pass me by. When inevitably this doesn’t give me what I want in the end because the journey is what I’m addicted to it’s on to the next thing and the cycle will continue until one day I peace out to Mexico or the PNW. Until then fighting for credit for my own sake would simply be a distraction from the next thing way over my head waiting for me around the corner.

Well said… so well, in fact, it bears repeating! I absolutely concur!

[Labdog]

Cyclopath, what ppm is the methanol testing at in your butane?

Also, anyone, what was the LOQ listed for methanol on the gas suppliers CoAs? This could be a paddlin

Problem with methanol on a cannabis labs normal residual solvent test is methanol has such a high safety threshold (in state mandated testing) that most labs will set their LOQ pretty high (can get away with LOQ at 50% of safety level per most state regs). So if the methanol threshold is 5000 ppm, the LOQ is 2500 ppm. Sure you could ask them to quantify lower but you’d need to specify.

[cyclopath]

I was just going for ID.

Headspace with manual injection is qualitative. Temp of sample and sampling device can change the ppm in the “headspace” significantly.

I also have made zero effort to actually generate a calibration curve for methanol. I might. I’ll see how pure the hplc grade looks first.

I made an attempt for butane at rm temp, so I had something to work with when developing our purge procedures, but I was aiming below 100ppm and our current 3rd party set their LOQ at 1000. Haven’t bothered to pay extra to learn where we actually stand since initial tests showed I was 3 for 5 below LOQ at 100ppm (one 80ppm, two ND…strange how I forgot the other two🤫).

If I’m honest I used Organoleptics to figure out what things needed to look like on the GC, then repeat sampling to hone in on temps and times to achieve those targets.

[terplord420]

Doesn’t look like a fast crash to me. Used carbon, b80, and s60 to clean the gas. This is after 24hr at room temp. Gonna try to heat cycle with this. Just used the b80 and s60 as a filter aid since I had it on hand lol

Cleaned some more gas that way today as well, we’ll see how consistent it is, reminder this is Praxair/Linde n-butane.

[Concentrated_humbold]

Ive seen the same “set” of coa’s seem to be circling every few months or so. I cant imagine any situation where the suppliers at some level didn’t know what to some degree was causing the problem. They haven’t sold less gas since it started only made others spend more $ to get to where it was and where they say it is.