This was the actual post that you made where you’d stated you had bought the gas from a friend from oregon or the bay area, you flipped on where.
I have used the exact same gas (not your companies) and never had the high psi at room temp and while being ran on my -50 chiller. I will have to see romorrow the tanks, yes i still have the 2 60#’s i dumped the other 2 were dumped and then exchanged already to another company. Ive been doing this for many yrs and i have never seen such bigh psi, i.e i had a tank of iso at 90psi in a 60 degree room. I got a iso and a 70/30 from somoa and 2 120ntane tanks brought from oregon and all had a very very bad chlorine smell even aftwr distilling it, i dis it twice even after i noticed the smell just to make sure before i dumped them i figured id wasted enougj time and money what was one more day.
There is a very good chance that you got old RHS gas from your friend. As I’ve tried saying multiple times, Im happy to get an exchange done for you if you want.
I will say it again i bought 2 60# tanks from YOU in somoa and then got 2 ntane tanks from a friend. We’ll forget the ntane since I can’t guarantee the source even though he has told me. YOUR tanks i personally bought were horrible, and someone 2 weeks ago got tanks from YOUR company in somoa and had the same experiences as everyone else who bought gas from YOUR company. Not flip flopping i personally bought, distilled and then dumped the tanks I bought from YOUR spot in somoa. I was genuinely giving you guys the benefit of rhe doubt thats why i didnt share my experience in the original post as to not influence anyone else’s opinion.
Okay, what is it that I can do for you? I’ve gotten lab results from the butane, I’ve tried offering an exchange, a return, anything to help you with your professional upset - what is it that I can do to make you feel better? If nothing, then okay, there are other suppliers and we are truly sorry to have lost your business.
I just got off the phone with james, im gonna meet up with him this week or so. Was genuinely not trying to cause drama or throw shade on you, your company or james. Apologies it went that direction or came off that way.
Okay, awesome. I’m glad you could talk to him and work it out.
Hey man, I understand that emotions run high when it comes to both business and people’s love of cannabis. As an industry, we have to deal with a lot of bullshit. The uncertainty of legality, watching out for scammers, watching people come in with big money and taking over after all the sacrifices people have made… it’s a lot. I get it.
I’m not asking anyone to trust our company or our gas unconditionally. I can do my best to hold my employers accountable for the products that we’re putting out into the market, though. I can also do my best to work with people like yourself who have had issues and be supportive. I know that in 2020 we’ve all got very low expectations of strangers, but I believe that integrity and doing your best is still important and not just for people you know. Best wishes, and I hope that we can help you move forward if we can.
We’re going to be giving sample 20# tanks of the butane we’ve tested once we get them shipped out, to whoever wants one. I’d like for you to get one of those at least, if you’re open to it. We’ll be doing the same with our isobutane, propane, and blends once we’ve done the third party testing with those as well.
Ya thats fine, im gonna take him the #60 tanks back im sure theres a few lbs or so in there if you guys wanna test it or whatever. Again apologies for this turning into drama, not the intention. Id rather support james and you guys ( assuming the gas is good of course) than the people who use to hang up on me yrs ago when id ask about bulk solvent that they now sell.
What a ridiculous smear campaign based on hearsay and pseudoscience. We buy 1000#+/mo Ntane from @thc_gas and have nothing but good things to say about our experience; the gas quality, the service, and the ease of transaction alone have us sold as repeat customers. Our finished product and cleared weekly inventory speaks for itself. Looking forward to another 200# delivery tomorrow morning like clockwork.
Quite a dogfight going on this thread. Might as well throw my two cents in.
Good to see the analysis that specifically quantifies contaminates. The SPL analysis may be legit - - - at least the isobutane and neopentane are in proper relation to one another. Sadly, this analysis ignores moisture content. I’ve never seen moisture < 2 ppm in any hydrocarbon.
On the other hand, the Cortland analysis can not be representative of actual butane. No way, no how can isobutane come in at 0.00 / undetectable. It’s in there and it’s way higher than what appears to be their limit of detection which appears to be 0.001% / 10 ppm. There is a reason that the highest grade of n-butane available is 99.99% and that’s because you can only reduce the isobutane so far.
The poster properly advised that the material fails claimed purity on water content alone.
That is true, gasguy. There’s a more detailed analysis that goes further but we decided to post the lab analysis that showed a threshold of 1ppm. otherwise it seemed like it would be too tempting for people on here to continue the smear campaign despite the amounts still being below threshold for high purity solvents. I appreciate the in depth knowledge though, really making me stay on my toes. If you’ll look on the analysis that was posted by dxmimg, it has the same problem. The lab they got testing from claimed that the oxarc gas was actually 99.999%, despite stating a presence of the same atmospheric elements like carbon dioxide and water. So the actual amount of impurities found in that gas wasn’t factored at all into their analysis.
Support whoever you think has the best gas and customer service. Yeah, it is difficult to source industrial quality goods for cannabis related businesses. The owner of cortland and I are planning on doing a write up on his experience of trying to source crude for this industry and how many times doors were slammed in his face for even suggesting the idea.
This is cheap first run butane used as a fuel and for low butane requirements.
I wrote another 5 paragraphs then edited this post and deleted them. Did it for 2 reasons:
There are suppliers / sales people here who are not aware of the science of hydrocarbon purification and they would incorporated the information to enhance their sales pitches; and,
End users do not need to know the technical aspects of hydrocarbon solvents. They need to be comfortable that theit supplier knows what the hell they are talking about and selects good products. Period.
If anyone has questions on hydrocarbons. Email me. I might not be a skilled salesman, but I know gases (and of course we sell too).
Kind of sounds like you’re trying to say that we’re just salesmen who don’t know about high purity solvents while also saying you’re the only one with information for people to buy high purity gas.
You also agreed with me that I did have a reasonable understanding of how the lab results have come out, so now i’m trying to understand the message you’re sending. Is it that we did not do our due diligence to make sure that we have pure gas? third party testing from two separate facilities, plus our own top of the line GC equipment is somehow not good enough? In the post you deleted, you attempted to get us to tell you where our facilities are, despite being our competition, which I have tried to keep friendly. Just trying to understand what the message is.
Also, why post specifications for industrial quality butane? I posted the results of high purity butane that exceed the 99.5% threshold for high purity. I’m a little confused by your post, Gasguy. You imply that we sell substandard gas when we do not. If you want to sell gas, sell gas. But throwing another company under the bus after we’ve already proven that our solvents are high purity is a weird move.
Also, if anyone’s interested in understanding the science of hydrocarbons, Cortland Energy has a certified scientist on staff to oversee the purification process. You’re welcome to call my number, 1-805-n-butane, and I will set up a conversation with you with our scientist so you can educate yourself. Thank you!
It sounds like you’re saying “Hey I’m a woman and I’m more fragile so don’t talk to me like that.” I know lots of strong women who would have some words to say to you about that.
The fact that you prefaced the comment I quoted with “I’m going to give you all another reason to kick the shit out of me…” makes me sick. Don’t victimize yourself.
It sounds like you’re putting the fact that you’re a woman out there, even though it doesn’t matter one iota with regard to this situation, in an attempt to set us up to say we’re bullying you because you’re a woman.
That’s BS and I can smell it a mile away, just like your awful hydrocarbons.
Ummm, what??
Both these guys are having problems with Cortland garbage gas.
By your own words THC Gas is the only distributor for Cortland Energy.
THC gas=Cortland Energy. They are one-in-the-same.
Can you please explain this contradiction you’ve made? How would they get Cortland gas without going through THC if you’re the only distributor?
It’s starting to sound like you’re trying to dismiss the issue or purposefully introduce murkiness with intent to confuse.
Now I’m really LOLing.
Out one side of your mouth you say you “strive to be as transparent as possible”.
Out the other side you say you decided not to post the most accurate data you have out of fear it will be misinterpreted.
What a joke.
We’re not saying ALL the THC gas is contaminated, that would make it extremely easy to shut the door on your company. The fact that you can come back with a clean test result from other gas doesn’t really mean much. The problem is that you definitely have a bad batch or two of gas out there waiting to ruin someones life. Of course you can get clean test results from other gas that isn’t from the bad batch.
Who in their right mind would want to play Russian Roulette buying Cortland/THC gas?
Concentrated_humbold posted the serial numbers from his bad tanks earlier in the thread. Did you work that angle and test other gas from that batch?
Would you tell us you found a bad batch if you indeed found one? I doubt it.
No. You misread the lab report.
The lab said the oxarc was 99.999% clean.
It was the Cortland (THC gas) tank that had the water, CO2, nitrogen, isobutane and propane along with sulfides and tetrachloroethane.
Here’s another contradiction by you. Clearly saying what works best in each moment.
You say Cortland has been selling high purity butane for a long time when it makes sense to portray your company as having longevity and experience in the high purity industry.
Later on you use the excuse that you’ve only been in business for six months in an attempt to use your lack of experience to sweep the bad gas under the rug as a “hiccup”.
By the way, I asked you before and I’ll ask again: What types of manufacturing facilities use high purity butane for cleaning??
I’ve never heard of that and I’m genuinely curious.
I hope you didn’t mean to say that Cortland previously sold other, more commonly used high purity cleaning solvents to manufacturing facilities and now they’re just “smudging” that experience over into butane/propane in order to make some of that sweet, sweet cannabis money.
That seems like a real possibility to me.
How does gas sitting around in tanks magically become contaminated?
Please explain.
No it hasn’t.
Don’t try to victimize yourself yet again.
That is a very weak move and is very common in this day and age.
Be strong and face this issue that the company you represent is responsible for.
@YourMomGoesToCollege did you manage to read the entire thread and miss the test results that Dxmimg posted up near the top?
IMO that’s the linchpin that makes this whole thing real. My hat is off to @Dxmimg for actually going through the hassle and expense of getting the testing done instead of just dumping the gas and moving on while countless others suffered the same problem.
I think ya done goofed on this white-knight attempt, YourMom.
The lab tester from Specialty Analytical even wrote in the lab report that the THC gas smelled like garlic/onion and listed the compounds responsible.
How about the company representative herself admitting the gas has a garlic odor:
Look at her inexperience talking. “A faint odor, but not enough to threaten someone.” LOL
There is no pseudoscience here.
There is some hearsay but it is strongly backed up with evidence.
Ignore the hearsay and go just based on the evidence and it’s still pretty damning for this company.
