We are setting up 12" and 18" Jacketed Miners and i was hoping to get some insight on the prodecure.
We have preset the heater to 35 degrees celsius(95 fahrenheit). Filled up the miners and we are maintaining the pressure at 20 psi until the oil starts to crash. We recovered the oil at 40 psi from the system to the miner. Anything else we should know that can help us?
We understand there are lot of other variables that go into diamond mining and we are talking to few techs to come out to consult us but wanted to try the first run ourselves. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
its dependant on solvent so sharing that first will answer question 1
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A lot of that isnât very helpful information, honestly.
Youâll be looking for a solution thick with schlieren lines of you want to go from collection directly to diamond miner. Then itâs a matter of controlled evaporation or controlled cooling based on observations of reactivity in your solution. Most go the evaporative route.
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I understand its not very detailed, part of it has to do with that im not very familiar with the process so i guess i was just trying to start a dialogue.
Yes, we are going the evaporative route with the heater on the jackets set at 95 fahrenheit. We are keeping the pressure at 20 psi. Can you share your method on the diamond miners?
@WhereAreTheStones thank you but that seems to be a jar method. Do you have a breakdown for jacketed diamond miners?
The PDF you shared is not available anymore. Would you happen to have a saved copy?
Sure would be nice to have the jacket hooked up to a heater/chiller for bi directional temp control.
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I personally prefer to mine after isolation, but when I used to do it as a single solution I would send it over when it was thick with schlieren lines into a miner that already had seeds in it.
Then, regardless of your chosen temp(excluding those too low for mobility or high enough to promote decarboxylation), if your seeds dissolve in the first hour at temp you are under saturated and need to evaporate more, then add more seeds and test again. If they appear to be non-reactive you are likely in the meta stable zone, it isnât often youâll be able to see them grow before your eyes.
Once in the meta stable zone you burp until you see your solution become very thick with schlieren lines, then you let your vessel finish reacting before you release another burp. The reaction will literally be bubbles rising from your seeds.
Once the bubbles stop coming and the solution no longer displays any visible schlieren lines you repeat the process. Keep going until you no longer get reactivity.
Depending on the terpene content you might need to avoid a sugar drop at the end when little to no solution remains, but if there was a lot youâll end up with a really nice hte on top.
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Thank you, thats using the seeds to figure out the proper saturation makes a lot of sense and will be useful.
Can you provide some timeline from meta stable zone to burping? Also does burping help break the diamonds loose once they are formed. Also, how long is the process from start to finish?
Kinda just depends on how deep you pushed yourself into super saturation when you burped as to when youâll get no more growth. Running hot helps keep things mobile because the pressure youâre burping is significant when the solvent is butane. Greater agitation increases the likelihood your diamonds will seperate during the burp. Running hot also allows you to push a little deeper into super saturation because burping will also reduce the temperature of your solution slightly and reheating that solution will offset the amount of super saturation achieved at the temperature reached during the burp.
The whole process can be done in as little as a few days if the concentration of thca to solvents is low and youâve really dialed your process or as long as a month if you havenât really dialed it in and/or there is a greater ratio of solvents.
Again, I highly recommended taking the guess work out batch to batch and seperating your -a from your aromatics ahead of time.
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Less steps = more time.
More steps = less time.
The more u seperate your fractions (hte vs thca), the easier/faster it will be to create diamonds.
Most people are either crashing thca out of solution in a reactor, then growing diamonds out of that.
Or
Throwing the whole batch into a âsugar minerâ aka stainless pan to get quick sugar over night.
Then using a centrifuge to seperate.
Idk anyone trying to grow diamonds straight from the pot anymore
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I already make THCA sand everyday, between 15 - 20 kg. That wouldnt be anything new to me. You are saying rexing is better than just throwing oil into the miners?
Do you suggest rexing with pentane or butane?
It is definitely better to recrystallize your seperated -a than attempt to crystallize large facets from a âcrudeâ batch.
Butane as a recrystallization solvent will require lower temperatures for continuous slow evap or controlled burps to achieve growth at higher temperatures, but can keep itself mobile better when done at high temps due to the increased pressure.
Pentane is usually done in vessels that can continuously evaporate during operation, this leads to larger stones with higher clarity, but those stones eventually grow into each other leading to more isolate being produced when you seperate them manually.
For recrystallizations you will need to cut the process a bit early to prevent a sugar crash at the end as mobility reduces.
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Yeah when it comes down to it, its about getting a very repeatable process that u can SOP and have the less capable/less paid workers doing.
If you use oil straight from the pot, u wont know exactly what your dilution is and wether or not the biproducts (terpenes, possible fats, etc) will react negatively.
Getting down to sand/thca powder, gives u a great baseline to then add (x amount of solvent to) and have a realible/repeatable burping/degas strategy that works everytime the way u expect it.
Either solvent can be used, ur just working with different temperature parameters because one will offgas faster than the other.
Imo pentane is easier to work it, only time i use butane is when i am trying to preserve the terps from a yellow isolate/sugar batch. Otherwise, those terps are considered trash if ur using pentane.
With that being said, i use pentane to reX 90%+ of the time because ive put more work/effort into that because it took less equipment/cost to get a pentane miner going then it did a butane miner.
Your goal is 2g diamonds in 3 days from sugar, if ur doing better that is awesome, if its slower than that, go back to the drawing board and try out different dilution ratios and different burping schedules, to find the one that works for u
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