What agronomic characters does a 10k per cut genetic present

Jk man…

Back to topic. I went over some websites people market exotic. I have dealt with my inner rage towards the progress Im only grasping to understand and anyone in my path I offended revice my sincere apologies.

So, Seed junky or ethos or bgrim, or humoblt or some simmilar phenohunt will bring me joy sincey pallet is more EU orientated Ill probably be happy with what I find in any of these strains… And then Ill get back to my landraces :slight_smile:

All this might lead to a above mypaygrade purchase someday when I start obsessing enough…

But if a chimera can be bought and replicated to an extend to being a 50 buck clone, then theres bo reason to value hype strains.

Their ancestry on the other hand… Now there is something worth millions to the genetic valult of diversity we will need to overcome in the next decades adapting to what the climate future holds.

The various forms it can take throught genetic recombination it is only viable we step togehter in breeding efforts and push for even more of what this wondorous plant can provide…

And not just the flowrr :upside_down_face::herb::seedling:

Here’s the thing thumps… Flowers are twice as big for us as clones! And I’m quite sure as you can tell from our prices that no one anywhere is going to rich off of our prices. (Or the people that don’t pay don’t help either, but this isn’t about that.)

We’re all entitled to think and feel how we want, but use factual information to make your assumption not just random thought.

So this was a giant waste of time…

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You should have known that’s where this was headed right after the 4th or 5th post!
Just teasing

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I’m just going to leave this here. @anon56994712



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Is that a 10k cut? Frosty :cold_face:

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Well done I’ll be flipping her soon.

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It was but only cost me about 500$. She’s got much more potential then that.

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$60 genetics. I can’t believe that cut was 10k. The bud structure is meh. I love all you do man, but I can’t see the value in that.

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The answer to the original question, as to the true delineation point between a 10k cut and lower is related to PLOIDY levels, and not exactly the marker assisted breeding techniques. My best example I can give is the world famous ‘MAC1’; it has a few breeding quirks that let us know that it is an alloaneuploid by process of elimination.

aneuploids and 3n/5n/7n/etc are known to produce little to no viable pollen. Less pollen viability the higher the ploidy level, but they can be receptive to 2n pollen in low frequencies.

The higher ploidy level could not be possible since we know that the parental lineage was 2n, but it is possible that a doubling event can happen with individual genes related to flowering or trichome morphology. This would account for the fact that MAC1 produces almost no viable pollen, but can be receptive to 2n pollen.

So MAC1, although it must be an aneuploid, must also have an even numbered chromosomal count, because the F1 progeny are all reproductively viable in all successive generations. If it were triploid or higher, this would not be possible due to uneven chromosomal pairing during meiosis.

To answer the agronomic value is also in aneuploidy, as proven by the hemp industry starting to use triploid genetics in the field; triploids take 2-3 weeks longer to finish flowering in the field compared to 2n. This is because the entire genome got multiplied by 1.5… we don’t actually want that. We actually only want multiple copies of specific genes related to flowering/trichome/gibberellin production. We don’t need multiple copies of genes related to pith production that clog combines in the field, and other genes that may actually limit yield.

Believe it or not, marker assisted breeding techniques are not needed in the selection of aneuploids. This can be done simply by applying 2n pollen to any higher level of ploidy, and visually selecting the resultant progeny without requiring PCR. Even if you had a Pacbio sequencer for free, your effort in prepping the samples would be a waste because the allelic combinations would not be understood on paper(it’s all a balancing act). Also the highest vigor is in the F1, so sequencing F2’s in Veg would be pointless because we lose the commercial value of the growth vigor the further we inbreed.

Even checking ploidy levels is visual. You can visually see each chromosome in a cell at 2,000x magnification. Count the chromosomes manually in far less time than a 250k PacBio sequencer, and since we don’t definitively know what happens when you multiply individual genes or combinations of multiples, knowing exactly which genes are multiplied is a waste of time, money, and man power.

*I say all this from the standpoint of a person that is a total idiot and knows absolutely nothing about plant genetics. So if you don’t agree with me, you’re correct in assuming I’m retarded :+1::kissing_smiling_eyes:

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Will said, and I concur on the ploidy’s.
The only point I was trying to make is that there really isn’t inherent agronomic value for cannabis because it is not accepted across the board. That was the only point I was trying to make about flowers flowers are accepted by all parts of society. As such they have agronomic value.

I mean it has value to us, and the people that are trying to make change. However, in my eyes it’ll never be able to reach those dollar signs until it’s accepted by all of society. But again I’m no one and nothing so you all have a great evening!

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I wasnt saying i would get rich off clones. but with clones going for 50 and flowers going under 2k then clones is a decent biz. 40 clones is like an lb of flower. I need to make a male that breeds well.

In my eyes it’s not really about making money or anything else. It’s really about giving people the ability to have it in their hands for reasonable price. That’s all I mean whatever…
Hope you’re doing all right thumps! Have a good night

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Uf so much sense makin bullshit your not in the right thread…

What about stomatal differention… U need a lower powered mic for that…

I was under the impression most strains of 30+ are triployds anyway.

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So it seems terp profiles and flower morphology are main parameters.

I have ask has anyone thought of what the seed of this is capable of…

Im sure it has differences from current seed yielding varieties.

Also the stem and root mass how it compares with prior grown strains…

Sorry to ask this but I think in 2 years tine when the 1-5k will become 50-100$ cuts it might be not worth looking at the flowr at all, and it might be worth taking a glanse at other parts of the plant aswell…

Big flowers mean big stems and roots and might hide novel metabolites…

With all that hybridization going on I feel that there are so many overlooked aspects of this…

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So my milk and cookies cut that would not produce viable pollen when I tried to self it…is likely anueploid then? Thank you for the information.

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I ve heard from a viable source the shape of the fpollen could be the reason aswell…

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There are plenty of cuts available today for $50 to $100 that were $1000s before.

I think it makes sense. If you hunt a special pheno that people love the end product from , as the og finder you deserve a payday for your work. The nature of the beast is that your payday is fleeting. Thats not unique to cannabis or clones.

Apples and Bananas is a good current example of a 5k cut that can probably be found for 200$

That strain is very good

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It’s a 20 dollar cut now, look up weed maps in California

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