This is really interesting. A co-elution with something benign that forms during decarb is a good lead I want to track down. What sort of info from the lab would you need to diagnose that? The raw chromatograph… Anything else?
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I am just rather skeptical of the entire Vit. E = vape disease story. People have been breathing marijuana pyrolysis products for ever, but all of a sudden Vit E acetate is found toxic and produces a syndrome almost identical to that of a co-released gain of function SS-RNA virus, in the same calendar year…go figure.
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I live on the other side of the world than USA, but i am certain that i had covid the year before in October.
I had to report to a prison for a couple of months, and when i arrived everyone was sick in what was exactly as the disease that came after.and named covid
That is extremely interesting. I don’t want to pry, but could you clarify what country/prison it was? It would be amazing if we uncover a massive covid conspiracy because they fucked with our industry(vaping illness).
I rather not out myself too much
almost two years after this post and am still dealing with issues associated to vitamin e. I just recently had a batch fail full compliance testing at double the legal limit.
I’ve been keeping a log of every time something has had any trace levels of vitamin e and there seems to be no rhyme or reason for how or when it appears. It is however predominantly in our terpene infused distillate vapes. We use a leading brand in the industry that claims no usage of vitamin e on their part. I just can’t believe its 2026 and I’m still having to deal with this in the legal med/rec market. I’ve seemingly tested every fluid in my lab to rule out cross contamination with anything, and I’ve been hard pressed to find any traces amounts of vitamin e alone. Our raw distillate upon additive testing shows N/D on vitamin e, and when they test our terps, they show up in varying quantities and sometime N/D as well. I can for certain rule out that there is no evil person in our lab messing with the product. At this point, if it’s truly something that’s been looming over us for almost two years, i’d like to get to the bottom of it. It seems though its just the finger pointing blame game of everyone saying it isnt them. The testing lab said that they couldn’t be interfering and blame it on the terps, the terp company claims no use and that it must be coming from the lab, and I’m here sitting in the lab analyzing anything and everything not able to find the source. Is it error on the testing lab, is this major terp company lying about adulterating their products? is so wouldn’t more brands be dealing with this issue as well?
Have you tried testing the terps you are using alone?
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Send them a sample of 50:50 distillate:vitamin e and see if they say it has none.
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While from the test results you posted I don’t think it’s a significant enough amount that someone would be adding it intentionally I would still have to say that anyone intentionally adding vitamin E acetate should catch an attempted murder charge and if someone actually does die they should catch a murder charge.
Fuck anyone who adulterates something that otherwise is supposed to be safe.
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These are the same terps tested over the span of a couple months. I utilize 10 different products from the same company and have sent them into our testing lab with varying results. some pop hot, some don’t..from the same batch of terps. I shake up the bottle of terps before formulation in the case that anything could possibly be separating in the terps themselves. The odd thing i found is that this vitamin e will show up in my dabable products that don’t come into contact with anything I do in my distillation room. The simple answer is that it’s in the terps, and that’s what I’d like to believe, but if that was so, I feel like they would be burned at the stake for covering that shit up and denying it. lol
There you go bro, your sop might have to include pre testing terps before use.
I guess I was a little too vague. I was meaning, some pop hot, some don’t from the same source bottle of terps. I have continually tested terps, and I might just have to implement a procedure, but I’ve tested the batch of terps, it comes out n/d tested disty going in, n/d as well for additives, then bam, vitamin e pops up again in full compliance.
Have you tried a different terp vendor and different testing lab? Do you mind sharing who is the terp vendor? If you do not want to put them on blast, feel free to dm.
I’m guessing the lab is sc labs, from the background.
If you are confidently homogenizing and a new unopened bottle is ND, but then gradually seeing contamination over time that might indicate it’s being introduced at formulation/handling, or your testing lab has a cross contamination.
My instinct was upstream of terps, but if the bottles are coming in ND and your positive your taking a homogenized sample that would change the theory.
Send samples from new/unopened bottles to multiple labs for confirmation. Split the unopened bottle to 2 new bottles, one working one storage. See if your working bottle pops.(may indicate in-house contam)
My suspicion at this point would be the analytics lab has cross contam from dirty samples. So sending out samples of the same material to multiple labs should verify that.
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I’m waiting for my owners to come back with approval for the go ahead to switch up our testing facility. we only have a handful of legal testing labs in my state, and everything is a popularity contest. I’m always skeptical of business partnerships, gets in the way of R&D and solving problems. I’ll take your idea and grab an unopened new bottle, test, confirm N/D, split into two, utilize one, and keep track and R&D everything. lol
I’ve personally thought cross contam from lab, but without circumstantial evidence they just deny.
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switching terp vendors wouldn’t be a bad idea but being a pretty big company with demands in consistency my owners have stayed with this brand since our conception. I think they might be a little afraid of flavors changing and a drop in sales. obviously, they won’t be able to sell anything if we keep failing full compliance tests, but I digress lol. Too many cooks in the kitchen, I went around the lab today and gathered anything and everything they I could think of as a possible contam risk, bath fluids, cleaning solutions, gloves, raw ethanol, ect, lol.
I have a great small team of 5 techs in my lab, and I trust them all as they are fully competent by my standards.
abstrax.
It’s probably not abstrax. @Chiefinmids , I can’t believe I didn’t think about this earlier… it’s probably your lab gloves. A lot(most) non-medical grade gloves have vitamin e for skincare. Get good medical gloves that are not powdered. I’m sure someone can link you a good supplier
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Has your filling gear or anything you use shared with any other company? Id say break down all your equipment and thoroughly clean with ethanol. Might be some residual film lingering somewhere in your gear.
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