This aint bitcoin 
I’m not againt the discussions about them, but the sales/advertising part can go.
I’m thinking we can sub-categorize the Ground Up - Future4200 category to have a Kratom category so people can easily hide the discussions if they dont want to see it. Probably do a Fungi category too.
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Good move. Kratom is pretty non addictive and safe if you use raw leaf or simple extracts in low doses. The tree is in the same family as the coffee and is used very responsibly by millions of people. Only the junkies want synthetics or opioid style highs from it. I occasionally mix a half g of good maeng da powder to my coffee in the morning, and it’s fantastic. And omg, doing a g or two of leaf with shrooms is absolutely magical. People just gotta learn to respect it more and then they’ll see why it isn’t a big deal. The synthetic derivatives are akin to synthetic noids like jwh and cp families. Those chemicals were no real threat to genuine weed enthusiasts, but were annoying. I think it would be fine to leave the synthetic krataloids around, but maybe just put them in a category called “heroin alternatives”. Then that can be a fly catcher for the bad people to fall into. This site is apparently full of people who don’t care about medicine at all, it was quite a switch from complex science to simple money tricks. I even posted a thread recently about this across the whole industry too. I gotta say that new people who run across 4200 might wonder why it has such lore. Idk how to revive the passion for health on here either, but i do know how to complain about it 
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That’s a start, thanks.
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All of my colleagues feel the same way about this. Healers over dealers please.
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Rather shut it down if this is the alternative to the Kratom bullshit
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Yeah, f that nonsense. You can easily taper off any drug with some willpower, weed, and a great diet. And if you’re really deep, you can get into psychedelics. You don’t need some opioid antagonist to get off anything. Take lsd everyday for a bit if you really have a weak mind
Yeah telling weak minded folks to take lsd everyday makes tons of sense
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Worked for manson
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Who the hell thinks taking lsd when withdrawing on opiates is a good idea even?
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He was getting that good, good CIA acid.
Idk. Maybe the people who’ve used psychedelics to recover from drug abuse? You seem to have no understanding of how psychedelics and cannabis work as medicines. The founder of AA claimed LSD cured alcohol addiction better than anything he had ever encountered, and that was back in the 50s. You need to read up on psychedelic therapy. When i was in my early 20s I got off opiates and alcohol with a combo of weed, lsd, and shrooms.
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Initially my thoughts were if someone knows what they are consuming it’s their god given right to put whatever the fuck they want in their body, but unfortunately it’s looking like a lot of these mgm15/16 analogue soup products on the shelves at stores are not accurately disclosing the actives in hopes to prolong regulation. So that really sucks. Saw a product the other day the label just said 150mg kava & 35mg “alkaloids”.
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When I am on psychedelics, I don’t even want to drink alcohol and everyone knows how much I like alcohol, so I can see it being useful for that. I don’t really see how it would keep you from wanting to drink again and taking it all the time would turn you into a nutter. I am guess it’s just some kind of assumption.
I would imagine taking LSD in opiate withdrawal would make the experience even worst. When I was in withdrawal, I was all sorts of fucked up and taking lsd would have just fucked me up even worst.
I was just looking into about the founder of AA claiming that lsd cured his alcoholism because I found it interesting, and it’s wasn’t even lsd he was taking. He is just one of those quacks that think lsd cures everything.
Have you ever heard of ayahuasca or ibogaine? A high dose lsd experience with an maoi can create almost identical results. I’m starting to see that this forum is full of people who have never ran across the power of psychedelic healing. I’m halfway convinced that I’m one of the few healers here and its just a pool of dealers. Millions of people have used cannabis and psychedelics to get off hard drugs and im sure many more will do the same
Yea, one of those quack healers.
Have you seen me or my community? We all know im in amazing shape and im a personal trainer who pushes natural medicines. If your generation thinks im a quack, then cool. You can keep suffering while my people enjoy a blissful existence….or you can educate yourself. All you do is attack people with positive messages and goals. It’s very clear that you were never invited to hang out with the cool kids. And Im trying to be nice to you because you seem a bit slow, but grow up dude. You will eat your words eventually if you knock people who promote health. Hell, I’d even give you training and a diet program for free if you DM me. I practice everything i preach bro. Get your health in order and start promoting positivity
You sound like one of those spiritual healers/self help motivators I keep laughing about.
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Depends on the psychedelic. Ibogaine is said to help people with alcohol and drug dependency. But not a whole lot of people traveling to Mexico for a trip like that.
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