I believe it’s -11c.
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Correct my bad
Definitely cool ty
Your so off with the isobutane being the issue tho. I used to run 100% isobutane in the trap to help recovery rates for a while. Never had an issue with chalky diamonds, fast crashing or any of it.
@Waxplug1 why do you think your seeing jars that crash like that more often? We used to do the same process for years and never had jars that looked like that. My issue before was stuff took much longer to crash out, and after this gas change back in march quick crash and medusa became an issue. We were running super fire fresh frozen and its always been super high thca content. Wasn’t till march that all these issues arose.
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That’s fine. How about trying it again and document the results. Showing some scientific method will get you farther than hating on me.
I get great diamonds with isobutane and fresh frozen and I use the terpenes as a solvent similar to pentane
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Hey John, remember your gas popping for Ethlyene Oxide back in Dec? I was hoping you’d get back with those results.
Been going through a ton of papers lately and I’d love to see that CoA!
Thanks!
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Stop being an armchair chemist and people will stop hating. Im the most open person when it comes to figuring stuff out. But you keep saying the same thing and not reading. Its getting annoying. We have figured out ways to mitigate these issues and we are to busy to play r&d for the gas companies. Someone way smarter then my self will figure this out. But just saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t help.
I dont need to show you the hours of experiments and r&d ive done on the subject. If someone wants a consult they can get access to that information. Im very open about information, but my experiments have done nothing but lead back to the gas every time. I do not owe you a write up. I spend hours a week talking to people offline that are having this issue. Its not just 1 person trying to figure this out.
Hell if you were that certain it was isobutane you would be able to replicate this problem super easy, and then you would be able to make quite a bit of money selling your services going around and fixing the issue at others labs.
Sorry @analyte been so busy forgot to look for those.
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This instant crash has only happened to extract that tests really high 90s. It will only drop out this fast if I don’t apply any heat on the jar. I haven’t seen any issues with Medusa yet other than when I crystallize at a lower temp in butane. My take on what’s happening is that just like in water, when you freeze cold water you get air bubbles trapped in the ice that make it cloudy. If you heat the water first, the air rises out of the water and it produces clear ice when it freezes. I think the same is happening here. When crystallizing that cold, butane vapor can get trapped in the lattice of the diamonds and when harvested, that’s when the solvent starts to expand and cause the lattice to crumble. If you crystallize in a hot environment, the butane vapor is forced to to the top of the vessel thus preventing any solvent vapor from being trapped by the crystals
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my issue is what changed that this now happens but didnt before? Are you suggesting we were not running concentrates that test in the high 90s before march of 2021? Our diamonds never had the issue before, we could take a long time to see any crystallization. Our potency did not change.
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Hey I know your gas or concentrate failed for EO back in Dec too, I’d love to see your failed CoA for that as well if possible — Let me know if it is still available
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Just so we don’t get confused I want to mention we’re talking about two things here which is the instant crash in the pot and Medusa stones.
As for the fast crash in the pot, It is possible the biomass you were running at the time had some slight degradation of the thca into d9. That would help prevent the fast crash in the pot. However I’m just assuming here, only a coa would prove it. From the patterns I see in my coas, it’s definitely only the high potency stuff that has little to no d9 in it that fast crashes like that when pouring out. I doubt old material will drop out the thca like that due to an impurity in the solvent. It is pretty simple to work around it by just pouring hotter or preventing the jars from cooling down.
As for the Medusa diamonds, it only happens like I stated above. Only when I crystallize cold, regardless of potency. If I crystallize at warmer temps it won’t happen.
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I have dozens of videos on my phone. I don’t care to help anyone on consults just as you don’t owe us a write up. Try keeping the solution warm enough to stay crystal clear. It’s crystallization 101
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I think fast crash is responsible for medusa. I had never had fast crash issues prior to medusa issue. Like I said, prior to medusa our crystallization would take a 2-12 weeks. Now I can take a run and have it fully crashed out in less then an hour. I used to try everything in my power to do that with the same material from the same farm. Hell even my own personal material.
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I don’t think it’s isobutane because there’s been isobutane in blends and in n-tane for a long long time…and this shit just started last year
The fast crashes I had, yielded some nice clarity stones with no Medusa issues. I crystallized in heat. The Medusa stones were always those trapezoid shapes that had high clarity inside the jar/miner and chalked out once I pulled them out. This is the clarity they had day one. Then chalk the next day.
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Here’s the coa. When I tested with a different company, it passed. I believe John had the same with brightside as the testing company. Did you pop one hot as well? If so what company did you test with?
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Yea passed with my normal lab that is usually more sensitive with results.
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That’s suggesting he’s only ever run slightly degrade material prior to Medusa stones.
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