New ways to quench

Did you proceed reaction at - 5C?

some points for quench:

  • sodium hydroxide 15% is a good neutralizer to solidify salts (alu.oxides,sod.chlorides) for later filtration
  • keep a light vacuum & nitrogen stream on as HCL gas will occur
  • wash with RO water
  • remove Icebath and warm to RT
  • add anhydrous magnesium sulfate
  • proceed to filtration by buchner and then LLE
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Different approach/thinking.

Is the quench/neutralization necessary if your catalyst

1 easily dissociates/ dissolves in water

And

2 is insoluble in reaction solvent?

10 washes with a mixture of brine and pure water washes could work?

Why add extra stuff if you can possibly avoid it? :thinking:

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You End up With an emulsion do to Aluminiumoxide
And it will BE almost impossible to separate clean up without emense effort

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Beside the nasty Al(OH)3 that gets formed mentioned by @Zzzeko23, by only using water/brine some catalytic inpurities will still be left in your solvent and destroy all D9 at the distillation process afterwards.

The main goal here is to avoid water washes in general. Even if you do a lot of water/brine washes without any other ingredient, this is still the most time consuming piece of the puzzle and waste water management is an aspect that everyone would love to skip.

This worked great with phosphoric acid.
You could even add pure water without shaking and see how the phosphoric acid slowly dissolved from the solvent into the water. Add water, wait, drain off, repeat until no more acid dissolved in the water. Done!
Those were the days :disguised_face:

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Honestly, fuck AlCl3. After suffering 60% losses on a LONG fucking lab day, and finally getting <50g of distillate to shoot into my GC, just to find that it was all d8. Really sucked the wind outta my sails. I spent countless dollars and hours trying to make alcl3 work, but that quench is a bitch. Only thing I could think of is to switch to an alkane at some point during workup. Supported reagents would be pretty punk rock if they existed for us mortals. EtoAC would be cool if it didn’t release satan himself when AlCl3 was added. This shit has been my white whale, and it is frustrating to be stumped and also run out of R&D money!

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Switching to an alkane still keeps the alcl4 in solution so it works easier but
Stil the problem is there
Do your rxn in tolueen instead still have to carbon scrub but ok
I have found several solutions yust not with reagents easily accessible to the rogue amoung us

This is a pic of your enemy floating once salted

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You will run into the same problems when you switch the solvent.
Like @Roguelab already mentioned a few times, the AlCl4 is your enemy here and you need to turn it into something different, that can be adsorbed by activated carbon.

I know two completely different approaches to quench an AlCl3 rxn, but in both AC plays a key role.

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Yes… via HCl… now or even later! Use Glaubler’s salt (sodium sulfate decahydrate), if anything involving water at this point!

And yes, @Labwork is right about needing Ac.

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Thank you sensei !!
Missed you hope you stick around more often

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A crumb was placed
Make a peroxide of the alcl4
Any insight in the how to ?
Wash with h2o2 seems to help but not fully

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Well, Carbon Chemistry decided to “develop an ai model” to answer customer science questions instead of keeping their human scientist, so I find myself with a bit of free time on my hands…

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That really sounds like a horrible idea

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Psilera is crushing the patent game this way.

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Im sure they have an actual human look over anything an AI generates though

Where as carbon chem is going to rely on AI only seeing as that @Photon_noir isnt there anymore

Theres plent of examples in different threads here that show AI isnt 100% accurate which is what I see being the problem especially without a human to double check it

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I used to work with Chris just before he and Jackie started Psilera, cool guy

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I made a cake of sodium bicarbonate, charcoal, and silica in order to quench and filter, and while it made a beautiful gold mixture, it still converted. I am curious how to increase the surface area or adsorption in order to actually get the remaining catalyst.

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This is a very unusual filter stack, @MedicineManHempCo , and definitely is not going to quench the reactions being discussed here. It sounds like you may need a full consultation, since a lot more information needs to be shared in order to answer your questions.

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The biggest problem I see is activated carbon is different from every supplier
So a recommendation of AC should really include brand/supplier and all
To have the same results
@MedicineManHempCo use at least 300 gr ac per kg and have solution in a ratio of at least 3:1 cannabinoid

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Cant ion exchange medias be useful for a job like this?

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Yes it should be possible but it s hard to find one that’s loaded with the right base
Those loaded with amine s do not grab it

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