You must understand that if you hold the opinion that hydro is inferior to organic across the board and then you go in for a taste test knowing beforehand that it’s hydro, your brain will play tricks on you.
I know it must have been done before but I would love to see people who hold strong opinions on hydro vs organic go through a blind taste test on this subject.
If you smoked multiple samples back to back (many more than two to avoid a 50/50 guess) would you be able to tell the difference between hydro and organic with a statistically significant reliability?
I kinda doubt it.
Do you know about the famous (Brochet) study on wine that they did?
Red and white wine apparently have different vocabularies used to describe them. They did a sneaky taste test where they dyed white wine with red coloring and then gave it to some accomplished wine sommeliers and they overwhelmingly used the red wine words to describe it. They were totally fooled even though they were experts.
I wonder if we did something like that with cannabis where we told people they were tasting and judging only organic cannabis samples. Would any expert stand up and say, “No I don’t believe you, these all taste like hydro.”
I am very aware of being pre disposed and having a bias. That isn’t the case here. I used to big a big time fan of hydro. I was never some hippy guy that thinks chemicals are bad.
Strictly a quality conversation and in oversaturated markets quality amd low price is the only metric that sells. Yield talk is chad talk. Tomato talk. Yields are irrelevant if it sits in inventory, just more shot on the shelf you had to pay to trim and test.
For the first time grow rooms are sitting empty and fields going unplayed because they know it won’t sell so why make it.
Where as the soil brands can’t keep up with demand.
Would you rather have 4 Granny Smith apples you can’t sell or 2.25 Fuji apples with demand?
I smoke a ton of weed from a ton of different brands and growers and I can tell how it was grown a majority of the time. Is there bad weed grown in soilv yes. Is there good passable hydro? Yes. Are either of these the majority? No.
Did you realize your definition of quality weed was wrong?
What if most newcomers to the industry these last few years are extremely shitty growers and the vast majority of them went with hydro? Does that mean hydro weed is bad because it’s hydro, or because a huge amount of shitty hydro growers have entered the market?
The two statements below don't exactly strike me as scientifically sound. Of course you're free to your own opinions but you can't make declarative statements backed up with subjective evidence like this and expect to actually convince someone from the other side that you're right.
Again this doesn’t sound like it’s a statistically sound statement. What kind of data do you have to back this up?
Even if you’ve talked to a few soil growers who can’t keep product in stock and a few hydro growers who can’t sell anything that’s not enough data to make this kind of blanket statement about the entire market in your state.
Not trying to convince mids growers to not grow mids and create more competition anyways. Grow sub par and tell yourself it’s the best and be happy and don’t worry about me.
When you factor extra labor and loss of yield it will be 2-3 times more expensive to get my margins. Maybe I’m wrong about indoor soil yields, what do you think the best are getting grams/sf? What do you think the best are getting with hydro?
I am in WA rec and people want cheap although I’m doing just fine on the top shelf with my hydro weed.
Anybody that says the quality difference between the best hydro and the best soil isn’t even a comparison is being disingenuous to the conversation imho.
I didn’t care about yields when I grew medical for myself and a few others. So, from my personal perspective not caring about yield is small scale basement tent talk.
Don’t blah blah blah. Back up your words. So basically all my effort to achieve optimal cannabis nutrition using salt based, synthetic nutrients are for nill? A bag of living soil and some compost teas, and your golden? I mean I used to be a dirt farmer for years in the 90’s and early 2000’s and never have had the issue of lack of flavor back then as I do now. I just started an amended soil run on the side to do some comparisons on and I’ll tell ya, my salt fed, hydro plants look absolutely perfect compared to my soil ones.
Resorting to trying to label me a “Chad” as your argument isn’t a good look and since you have offered no other rebuttal, this seems to be a pointless conversation. I wish you the best.
Quick question for anyone who sees this but, what is the highest Ec anyone has ever ran in DTW Coco? I am currently running 3.0 Ec, 5.8 pH. My run off EC is 2.0, the run off pH is 6.4 and climbing. Stems are starting to purple and plants look hungry. There are no signs of tip burn or toxicities but, I am nervous about increasing Ec anymore than it is. I’ve never had to run EC above 2.5 before. Mind you this is crappy compressed coco that I had to buffer myself so I’m not sure if it’s robbing all my nutrients until all the cation sites are filled? I also mix my own salts but have been pretty much Running the same veg recipe for a while now. Anyone have any suggestions?
High EC in the input and low EC in the runoff suggests either plant uptake of nutrients is much faster than water or media is somehow removing nutrients aggressively. The first case is the most likely, given that coco will not be able to sustain a decrease in the EC for too long, especially of this magnitude. At this EC level, this suggests some issue with water uptake rather than more nutrients being needed (this is also assuming container size is adequate for your plant size).
Increasing the EC beyond 3 mS/cm in coco shouldn’t be necessary for healthy plant development. This is assuming the formulation uses common nutrient ratios.
All of this suggests something abnormal going on in your root zone (assuming your environment is all good). The easiest way to fix this is likely to just run your nutrients at 3mS/cm and flush until your runoff is close to your input, so that you normalize the media (this can take a lot of runoff). Then the plant should start acting more normal as whatever abnormality is there should be corrected.
If in veg, you can also temporarily add 0.5g/gal of ammonium sulfate to your solution, to prevent your pH from climbing further and prevent pH related problems.
I’m not using run off, but it was common to see my EC severely drop in freshly prepped coco according to my media sensors. I increase my initial charge EC and feed EC until the EC stops dropping, then return to normal veg EC.
I assume this is due to not properly buffered coco and I see this from all brands I’ve tried. I only use compressed blocks.
Thanks for the reply @danielfp. The plants were doing great in solo cups on the same mix until I transplanted them in to they’re final 1 gal pots in the cheap coco. I thought I buffered it properly using Ca No3. I rinsed the coco till was under 1.0 Ec. I’ve been running
N-151
P-45
K-225
Ca-160
Mg-65
S-86
Si-15.2
Been running this mix for almost a year with no issues until now. I will continue to feed 3.0 Ec and take notes. Thanks again.