Well, regardless of what I think about D8 going back to D9, it is possible, but not easily or particularly scalably. It is a rather elegant process that can proceed apparently against entropy (the tendency toward lower energy states or homogeneity) based on the positioning of the phenolic hydroxyl group. It just takes some finesse!
@anon1342 , you are correct that MOST D8 has some D9 in it. However, it is definitely possible to eliminate it, outright, via semi-synthesis (isomerization)… and not even just 0.3%, but below LoQ! I actually sell such methods to companies in need of “compliant” D8, and they have been quite satisfied with the results!
Yes, I’m aware, and I was not suggesting otherwise. I’m referring to guys pretending to have d9 free d8, that do not have the skill or knowledge to do that. The market is rife with BS d8 at the moment, made in dirty barns and garages.
Do we have any idea if these mystery d8’s are safe enough to eat? I would imagine 50mg in an edible that weighs 30 grams in a total serving would dilute any residuals well beyond concerning levels. I just say this because maybes it’s time we push for people to market impure D8 as “edible grade” since there really is going to be a huge demand for that once people figure out how well D8 works in edibles.
It could be sort of like training wheels for the guys who aren’t fully qualified to handle isomerization but you know are going to do it anyway. I feel people might not be as enticed to sell something potentially dangerous to vape if there’s an alternative market for them to recoup some money on. This all goes under the assumption that there is not something wildly toxic to invest in them. I just think there’s got to be a middle ground here rather than telling guys their stuff is too dangerous and they need to throw it out.
I bought some red/rose d8. wasn’t cleaned up. gave me insta headache (mind you I have a delicate system); so in short my answer is no.
I think the answer is more about making sure the reagents used are completely removed and the end product has been properly polished and ph balanced to avoid unnecessary oxidation.
at that point, proceeding with unknown content in my (tiny) mind depends on the conversion reagents and safety. has every step been taken to limit toxicity and perform outstanding cleanup?
end product production (think edibles tinctures etc) requires extreme attention to quality and detail, whereas the conversion/extraction market focuses on speed of throughput with considerably less focus on quality.
I’ve never seen d8 not oxidize. It’s rather fast. A least a ring at the top for some of the most water clear. But I do admit the water clear with a small ring is a smidge more desired than purple af
I have like a solid 7 I’m looking at. No trigger pulled. Just got the damn team here on board to carry d8 products and they are talking about a second brand haha
copy that. I went back and checked our notes and discovered we’d added mct to the d8 which appears to have halted oxidation. Probably deal breaker for cart guys, but not edible guys. This is about 3mo old, 50/50 d8/mct
I also have some that has not discolored at all after 6 months. Stored in a clear mason jar. It’s stored in a cabinet probably 75% of the time. The mason jar is 90% filled with air so I imagine we’d see something by now if there were stability issues.
In a cart it’s a very pale yellow. I’ve had some come out a smidge darker, pretty much a very light gold but those were probably just from leaving them over heat for too long. I don’t think anything should be drastically shifting colors under proper storage other than rosin pretty much.
I’ve seen a lot of D9 get this neon yellow color to the point I feel like I see a hint of green in there. Same D9 later forms a brown ring in the cart only at the surface where the headspace is, even if it is unused. Produced by a highly reputable state-licensed company.
D8 with MCT is stored in fridge; this concentrate maintains color over time, it does not darken; I use MCT that’s not colored, so there should be no yellow pigment involved.
Saw something like this w a friends sample. Took it to 2 labs. Lab number one was 4 percent d9 and 20 percent d8. Second lab was 40 percents d9 and no d8. The first lab sent an email wanting to do more tests because they’re results were so strange, saying it hit a lot of points between d8 and d9 it couldn’t confidently read
I have like a solid 7 I’m looking at. No trigger pulled. Just got the damn team here on board to carry d8 products and they are talking about a second brand haha
