tell that to a texas cop. Come on down
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I was literally told this by a cop
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Yes, Sir, that’s why I’m here in AK! I’ll move to wherever, but it’s going to be a legal state! Having the ability to freely partake in smoking weed is something that’s become important to me ever since I’ve been granted it.
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I believe you in Kentucky Tennessee Hempnation lol. That’s all they got left out of cbd. Texas is squeezing cbd and letting d8 slide but it’s gonna become news quick and not go positive on the channel 4
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I do think its helping with rec or medical passing in these areas
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Not one fucking bit. Thanks, guess I’ll enjoy oklahoma since texas is never gonna have diamonds any time soon without consequences.
Delta 8 is not help at all being hot.
Texas medical thc license = .5% thc lol
Major $ controlled licenses.
D8 is murdering them and they’ll act with $
They’ll likely retain all control over d8 or any thc and kick hemp out.
If we get something hot here it better be the fire. Not some converted product. Excuse me if you don’t see it that way.
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You must be smoked out if you really think this
D8>d9 for medication any day
Especially for ppl who haven’t smoked before, D9 will have new smokers bugging out D8 won’t do that
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Mine gave us our chromatograms… talked on the phone for an hour… they’ve been testing D8 for years. Why is there an assumption that you’re the only lab that cares about their jobs? Does anyone have any proof that all the labs that aren’t you are all liars or stupid? You guys didn’t invent chromatography lol
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Might you have any showing the d8/d9 separations?
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Everyone seems to forget about how we got here to begin with… those ptsa methods were unearthed because people were using clays and powders and IMPROPERLY washing and filtering their D9 which caused isomerization… D9 comes in all sorts of colors too- whats all the unknowns in D9? Hmmmmm could some of it be isomers??? Maybe even generated by ph imbalance or residual catalysts that just were accidental? Red and pink are quinoids, not death poison, gold means they weren’t generated or they were washed out. Who’s the federal regulatory agency making sure my diseonsary D9 is made properly? Damn guys this is some old shit lol broken record motherfuckers… I gotta stop reading these threads
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I’ll ask my colleague in the morning
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That’s usually the concern. The labs REFUSE to share a chromatogram or when they do there is a clear shoulder or at best two peak and no return to baseline.
No one says there is only one lab that can do it. It’s very doable but the majority of labs aren’t taking the time to do it. And the thing that also sets kca apart is the fact that they will verify on MS as well. So it’s more than just one method being use to quantify your sample.
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I think that’s exactly what’s being said is that no one else can/will do it, and that no one else will provide chromatograms, which simply isn’t true- and I usually try to stay out of these shit post battles, but I’m just having a hard time reading the same shit over and over- which is all speculation outside of the actual data… I probably should have kept my mouth shut, I’m sure I’ll wake up to a barrage of comments… but just like a wise man once said “shouldaberries don’t make pies”. Meh well, the D8 market is tanking just like the rest of the hemp concentrates that are only legal if you want to spend 24 hours a day recovering methanol-water gradients or degrading the oil into compliance that used to have some sort of value… the legal thc markets are always going to be viewed as medical and legitimate while the hemp markets are always going to be characterized as a bunch of shady douchebags with a rotovap and a centrifuge. I got into the cannabis business because it changed my life, not because I was like “hey, MY name is Chad AND I know a guy who knows a guy who makes stuff- what you wanna pay?” I think its a losing battle to try and legitimize hemp, and forget about pointing out what a shit show some of the rec markets are and the nonsense they get away with… I’ve been to dispensaries with 0 analysis on a single product in the place… but let’s draw and quarter these bastards lol…
EDIT: to clarify i do not think folks who do not properly remediate contaminants or conduct rigorous testing should be excused or ignored, I just know the reality of this business and how unaccountable both markets are- then there’s a third market where none of this shit applies
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I agree.
I would say as a relative outsider whose been reading these forums regularly the last few months, there has been a degree of, for lack of a better word, cultism, around @kcalabs. Now that’s not to say their adoration is not well deserved. But, I do think that the regurgitation of that rhetoric has lead to a common perception that @kcalabs is the only ones doing legit testing or getting d8/d9 separations.
I don’t think anyone is going to argue there are labs with techs out there doing good honest work and we just don’t hear about them. Why would we? If a product is hot and a lab tells a producer the honest truth, do we really expect they’d share that with us as they try to slang a schedule 1?
I think the consensus around here is there are a lot of bunk labs willing to print bunk COA’s; and well, there are. I know about it, because you all know about it. You’ve all discussed it, shared real and fake alike here with us all. I’m grateful, I’ve been able to apply what I’ve learned here to be better discerning in what I consume.
We’re all talking and hearing about the bad labs just printing money; @kcalabs is doing good work and they are well represented here. We’re not hearing about all the other labs just going about their day to day doing good work not on future4200 or IG or whatever.
I suppose I mean to say in all this is, if you were getting your information from primarily future4200, you’d be inclined to think @kcalabs is the only legit lab in the game and it would be easy to have it in your mind that any other lab you haven’t heard simply isn’t legit; a regular forum member might instinctively dismiss it out of hand because of the common occurrence of bad labs being discussed here.
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Thats all true indeed, but just because a lab reports a ND COA doesn’t mean they don’t see D9 ever. I have seen many hot samples from labs that also report ND. I don’t want to get back into the debate of why that is, but it’s just the dead horse beating… not all that useful. Either go out and get after school special and visit every head shop with some pamphlets to inform the public that A lab says every other lab is wrong, or move on and let the hempocalypse unfold the way the prophecies are written (not directed at you)… either way, reality is, the actual people at the counter buying it aren’t all that concerned with the ph of their D8…or that the analytics could be wrong and it’s got some D9 in it. I get it, and I’m not saying that quality, transparency, and a moral compass are not of utmost importance, its just fucking D8 groundhogs day in this motherfucker like damn lol
AND clearly the consumer not knowing/caring isn’t an excuse to be lazy or a dirt bag- again I’m not defending the evildoers, maybe we should all be working toward developing the best possible methods and product to minimize these issues since that is the goal, right? - that won’t come free though- but it would be a shocking turn of events for breakthroughs in scalable, guaranteed compliant, and guaranteed safe D8 production were just handed down to the common acid slinger for the greater good for free-ninety-free lol
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I apologize I don’t think I was clear, my posting was an attempt to agree with your perception that the forum has around labs and testing from my perspective as a nobody with no real stake in it.
I’ve tried to update my post to better reflect that.
No need to apologize, my rant probably came off as combative- apologies to you. I don’t do well with letting irritability build up, it comes out sideways. Unfortunate timing. I need to be done hijacking the thread with my multiple personality rants lol
I believe @bigbone does it too. But I don’t know if he is a testing lab. @iontrap team seems pretty knowledgeable as well. Few other reputable labs were occasionally cited, but none never came to discuss here it seems.
So @Siosis is kinda right on this, @kcalabs is still sort of the only American commercial lab (few people dare sending samples out of the US it seems, also more time consuming perhaps…) and DEA registered (I’m not) whith the superpower of d8/d9 perfect vision… and that is kind of weird.
But we could easily demonstrate how, based on:
- a priori the sloppy data from other lab (quick method, poor resolution, high loq, highly unlikely cannabinoids, no further discussion of data possible,)
- counter analysis by your sincerly devoted labs here (at least @kcalabs , AND me as well !) more detailed…
- also the extended knowledge from various experimenters here, regarding the underlying synthesis processes and their capacities.
The debate should be quite clear. But it is still necessary to remind this regularly in the various new magic d8 threads. Sorry for this fuss @nostrum, but we can’t help it. Science !
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When the argument is there are two labs that show ND d9 and that we’re doing it wrong because we are seeing d9, then my next request is to show the data.
Yes, there are labs that show the data. Many do not.
I have never said we’re the only ones doing anything.
I’m trying to raise the bar on the testing side of the industry and educate.
If more people asked for their data then it would lead to more transparency and answers to these questions on why one lab sees it and another doesn’t.
Edit: maybe the labs are willing to give the data over and the processor doesn’t post or send it over. I don’t know.
I spend significant time everyday explaining to people on the phone (and sometimes on here) why our COA differs from the one they received. You might sense a tone with my responses on here. When you spend all day educating the same material everyday it gets exhausting when people try to discredit you with no objective evidence to show for it.
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Mi is rec and med legal. But you cant go walking down the street puffing on a J. You cant sit on your front porch legally either. BUT can in your backyard.
I cant wait to move from Mi. It sucks tremendously
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