Chlorfenapyr remediation - tell me why this is a bad idea

[Rowan]

Also run that shit through T-5 see what happens- bentonite is amazing stuff

[Cassin]

@Fern

If any one has any reading or experience on why even miniscule amounts of chlorfenapyr or its breakdown products are dangerous, please submit and I will take it under consideration.

I supplied to sources in my original post.

@Cassin

But this stuff is not safe for humans. And the byproducts of the UV degradation (N-methoxyethylpyrrole-2-phenyl-3-cyano-4-Bromo-5-difluoromethylinum cation, N-methyl ethyl ether (2-trifluoromethyle-5-pyrrolium cation), 2(P-chlorophenyl)-3-carbonitrile pyrrolium cation and 2 (P-chlorophenyl)-3-cyano-4-oxo-5-trifluoromethyl pyrrolidine) are also nasty.

The information on how and which degradants are formed is also discusses their relative toxicity at the LD50 level. The information from the EPA on this pesticide product is also specific on the LD50 reporting - and they clearly say not to use things for human consumption because they decided this specific pesticide was not safe to be used in or around food.

That’s good enough for me. The EPA allows all kinds of toxic substances to be used on food all the time. This is not one of those toxic substances.

Your process totally interests me and I’m very grateful that you are discussing your methods here so we can all learn together.

My biggest concern is that if its being detected - then you know someone is using a pesticide on a product for human consumption that is not intended for that purpose. It would be a whole lot easier if people didn’t use this kind of stuff in the wrong way - there’s a lot of pesticides and many of them work for the same pests. No reason to use one that isn’t designed for that purpose.

I also come from the FDA side of things. If we had any documentation or knowledge at all that there was something unintended in our products and we tried to sell it - that’s called adulteration. Even if it was miniscule amounts. Adulteration causes recalls. Intentional/willful adulteration sends people to prison.

So know that’s where my experience comes from when I’m sharing the process and also discussing that since you don’t know its safe and its not intended to be in your products, there could be consequences. Especially if you are in CA - they like to smash people just out of principle over there…

Thank you so much for sharing with us. And I really hope you keep letting us know how it goes.

[ELXir]

A little late but I read the whole study and it actually doesn’t say anything about the toxicity of the byproducts. The one study of chlorfenapyr byproducts shows that there is a toxic one that is only known to form when broken down by digestion

[Roguelab]

For acetone nitril the still have to be in accitic form to be not soluble