Cannabis derived terpenes vs non-cannabis derived terpenes

There are a few significant differences between terpenes that are derived from cannabis and terpenes that aren’t:

1.LEGALITY

There’s no dispute that terpenes derived from non-cannabis plants are fully legal. Strict interpretations of the law, however, lead to the uncomfortable realization that cannabis-derived terpenes might be considered illegal drugs.

2.FLAVOR AND AROMA

Some purists insist that cannabis-derived terpenes taste and smell more authentic. It’s possible, however, to fully replicate the flavor of any cannabis strain using botanically derived terpenes. Plant-derived terpenes may even be more flavorful and aromatic since it’s easier to isolate and maximize concentrations of specific terpenes.

3.PRICE

Botanical terpenes can be harvested and packaged at relatively low cost. Only the cheapest cannabis-derived terpenes can compete with the pricing of botanical terpenes, and low-grade cannabis terpenes offer the worst flavor profiles and repeatability of any bulk terpenes.

4.REPEATABILITY

Cannabis is a fickle plant. Even using the exact same genetics, it’s almost impossible to cultivate two cannabis crops that smell and taste exactly alike.

As a result, cannabis-derived terpenes aren’t very repeatable. Since botanical terpene blends consist of isolated terpenes expertly combined at exact ratios, however, it’s easy to produce reliable, repeatable results when you derive terpenes from non-cannabis plants.

Can you make a realistic OG, Skunk, or Sour diesel?

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If you have an infinite budget, or four or five chromatography systems, you can replicate anything. Otherwise you’re buying a mix of five or ten terps that hit the dominant notes.

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I know, I just want to see the fingers that keyed that deceitful phrase explain themselves

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As I know, Cannabis-derived terpenes are more effective taht’s because they have trace elements of other compounds found in cannabis that don’t exist in other plant terpenes. These synergize to enhance the product’s medicinal value via the entourage effect.

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What you just said isn’t that cannabis derived terpenes are more effective, but that other things that come with them are.

So… as soon as we figure out what those are we can include them and we will all be good.

Pure CDT all day! A lot of consumers arent aware of the different terpene products being used in what they are consuming. Real CDT really levels up the quality and experience of products.

You should only use around 4% terpenes in the carts. Too much makes the throat hurt when pulling on a cart. The company I work for makes a system that excels at pulling pure clean terps from cannabis prior to oil extraction so we have been experimenting with this very topic for years now. I can tell you for sure you are able to pull more terpenes from the product than you will need to reintroduce to the carts for each batch of cannabis. Meaning you will have leftovers to flavor additional carts maybe made from cleaning ethanol etc. the exact amount really depends on preference and taste but definitely not more than 8% of the cart contents should be terpenes. (I put the answer in percentage form to make it a simple math problem regardless of cart size).

True but we may not be able to ever gather the additional compounds from any other plant as they may not carry them or they may be too volatile to collect on their own @anon64373531 Terpenes are already so fragile they dissipate in open air and are nearly impossible to separate from each other in any economical way and definitely not at scale.

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About to drop some beautiful elite Cannabis and Hemp derived Terps, we can remediate and Fractionalized to get you different fruit, floral, and gas profiles from a single raw crude essential oil extraction from say a common strain like lifter, giving you three to four unique profiles separate from the original

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cannabis terps:
$8400 per L

Alaska Diesel
Gelato 33
Afgoo Kush
The White
Afghan
Ice Cream Cake
Durban Poison

Hemp terps:
$4200 a liter

Jupiter
Incredible Hulk
Abacus
Sour Silver
Super sour space candy
Hawaiian Haze
Vitality
Forbidden V
Pine Wlker

At least 5 more strains available in the next 10 days or so.

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:call_me_hand: Friday the 13th sale on some amazing Hawaiian haze, to help out a farmer friend
Hawaiian haze Terps :hibiscus::partying_face::fire::rocket:Super delicious Terps
Friday the 13th sale :ghost:
Only 3 L left in stock by all three before Saturday for only $3000 per liter Saturday they go back up to $3750 per liter :sunglasses:

As a Cannabis breeder, regarding terpenes,if a Cannabis lab quantifies it, I have zero interest in it. The short generic list of aroma therapy terpenes talked about in Cannabis have little connection to the plant, and are reported by weight not flavor activity. We’ve proven they have no entourage effect (outside of b-caryophylene). We know they taste bad (bitter,chemical,burnt nostril), and we know the only reason anyone associates them with Cannabis is because of a rep from GW pharma, a company that grows Skunk #1, who’s name alone indicates the elevated presence of thiols, not aromatherapy terpenes, is characteristic of high quality Cannabis. What we dont know is why people still buy into the essential oil narrative after smoking distillate with terps added.

I have never once seen a recreated lemon flavor, for example, that tasted anything like lemons. d-limonene is bitter by itself. On the contrary, every intense lemon strain I’ve bred, aside from having little to no limonene content, had distinct flavors that fall into 2 categories: sweet, and sour. there’s a misconception that Cannabis flavor arises solely from secondary metabolism , when in fact the taste aspect of flavor, flavor being the combination of smell and taste, arises from primary sugars and acids in the plant. Every plant uses citric acid. citrus trees oroduce more citric acid than,say fig trees. you dont need a lab to tell you this,you only need a tongue. Citrus varieties of Cannabis are the same. they have produced elevated levels organic acids. Sour strains not only smell sour, they taste sour, and will leave your mouth raw when smoked in abundance, the same exact scenario as eating too many sour candies. Go and smell some sour candy. Most has no smell. The smell aspect of cannabis has not only been completely overstated but misattributed to terpenes with such high detection threshholds that you literally cannot smell them if the Cannabis is grown organically with all the stress factors in place to create the more characteristic carboxylic and amino acid derivatives. People associate thiols with offensive smells but most of the interesting fruit and citrus flavors are also thiols, which are much more energy efficient for the plant to create. In fact most Cannabis plants are loaded with thiols, that are bound to their precursor never to be released. My question is… when you see extractors dewaxing or winterizing concentrate… what are they doing with all those thiol precursors? Most are one enzyme or oxidation state away from creating distinct strain profiles, which register low at the marketing (safety? lol) lab but very highly with biometrics (noses).

Distillate doesnt get me high. Vaporizing herb gets me extremely high. They are both distilation. why does one work, and the other doesnt? Where I live people lump the “weed” taste in with the distillate “taste”. In this regard I have to assume the only difference is the quality of input material. The source for retail distillate must be so low in primary sugars and acids that nothing but cannabinoid makes it through the vapor stream. And this industry, traditionally following the bogus narratives of hydroponic production met with foreign non cannabis volatiles, is merely protecting its own poor production methodologies when they support the essential oil aroma therapy narrative, as they knew all along that weed couldnt get any better than distillate and essential oils mixed together and refuse to accept any different. Most of the producers I’ve met fall into the " I grow the greatest weed" category while growing the lowest quality herb. And whats changing all that? The addition of sugars and acids to hydroponic programs. Feeding silica so carbonate creates more flavor compounds via c02 rather than entering the trichome to neutralize carboxylic acids. feeding sulfur bearing aminos which thiols will derive from. Feeding enzymes and proper cofactors to make it all happen. Patented post-harvest/extraction biotrans tek, which separates non active glycosides into their flavor active volatile and sugar component, and creates antioxidant in the form of thiols, to be steadily released in storage (not while the plant is growing, which seems to be where every grower and breeder has went wrong the past 20 years, breeding for photos and showing homies the grow instead of impressing end customers I guess?

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Based on all the Cannabis Derived Terpenes companies everyone has used, who do you all recommend?

@Betroit for top notch
@Octave forthe rest

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Is this the actual lions breath owner?

Found them all to be pricey and generally disappointing, some were so bad that “fake botanical terpenes” were unanimously preferred. Maybe shipping and storage plays a role, but if you read through the thread many much smarter than I have pointed out that many of the plant compounds also play a role in smell and taste. Seems to be why live resin/rosin carts became popular. Some want more than terps and thc.

Only way to really know is to try for yourself I guess.

Thank you for the recommendation! Grateful for this community. We are constantly learning and developing our techniques and equipment to bring the highest grade cleanest brightest terps

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We have several lines of terps from CDT to Botanicals and Infused lines. CDTs are on the website.

For more info, email purebiologix@gmail.com.
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