Hi all,
Curious to know is HD9 any different really to natural D9? i dont have any background in chemistry i just want to know from a moral point is HD9 ok to consume or is it a “dirty” product?
Any detailed advice appreciated
So when people say hd9 they’re typically talking about d9 that’s been converted from cbd. The quality of this stuff can vary wildly depending on the sop, starting material, and clean up techniques.
The biggest concerns with this stuff is that there’s going to be extra contaminants in there that wouldn’t be found in natural distillate. Such as leftover catalysts and previously unidentified compounds such as exo and iso thc.
As for the morality of it I’d say if you’re buying for yourself there’s no issue. If you’re buying and selling to others that may not understand the difference and that there are potential yet unknown health risks to these products I’d argue it’s not exactly saintly to sell people these things. (Though since I work in the space as well I cant exactly wag my finger at anyone)
If you’re looking for natural THC there’s been a rise recently in people selling THCa that has been isolated from flower and is not produced via conversion. This would also be a great opportunity to learn how to use the search function. 
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Thanks for your detailed response,
How would one know if the product is clean, i assume you really need to know who your getting your hd9 from? if its clean then chemically its the same product also is hd9 thca so thats why its a thing to pass thc testing?
I try my best to do things right i dont want to sell a product that isn’t what it says on the tin, but even me buying natural d9 for all i know its derived from cbd the average person like me wouldnt know the difference.
Sounds like you are not in a position to slang disty. Quit while you’re ahead
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Sounds like you didn’t give any constructive advice so you shouldn’t be commenting my friend
No. You need to get reliable 3rd part analytics….
Which IMO is why @Cascade_hemp suggests you’re not up for this yet.
You don’t need to be a research scientist to slang disty, but if your response to “how do I know what’s in the jar?” doesn’t include “I wonder how to get this professionally/independently tested?”, then you’re part of the precipitate and should get more chemistry under your belt…
I’ve long held that solid In House analytics should be on any producers list of “must haves”.
If you’re looking at conversions, or not sure where your cannabinoids are coming from, then @kcalabs would be a solid start.
See Eg: New Service: Converted vs. Natural THC and Derivatives
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Drugs are bad, M’KAY?
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Nah…
But folks do have a pretty solid history of getting the chemistry wrong and consequently making “bad drugs”.
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Now that’s a reply i can fly with, i never said im clued up in this world growing flower is my thing has been for 17 years. Extracts i haven’t really ever dived into. But to ask questions is a start its the only way we learn everything and i am not afraid to look the fool to get the info i need.
As i said i want whatever i use to be clean not dirty so i thought id try and learn is this stuff actually ok.
Appreciate the response
If you’re a proficient grower why not look at making your own extracts?
“Patience is a virtue. Making extracts can hurt you.”
—WhereAreTheStones
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Isomerization of CBD to make D9 is different than extracting and concentrating D9.
If somebody tells you its the same, its just not.
There are byproducts from the isomerization, which can be undesirable, but I do see isomerized D9 hit above 90% purity regularly. I can’t say the same for extracted.
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The way you phrased that is concerning. Isomerized compounds need to be testing at >98% purity, 99% considering we don’t know what the impurities do to people.
Naturally derived properly distilled products produced from properly neutralized extracts will contain nothing that wasn’t already in the plant we’ve been smoking for tens of thousands of years.
The caveat being the dosage, 1% of impurities with unknown impacts on human health that resulted from a poor process is potentially just as dangerous as concentrating and then consuming naturally derived impurities which are not thoroughly understood to be safe at the now higher level of exposure.
I do find it odd that you don’t see naturally derived thc testing above 90% regularly, but maybe that’s more related to where you are in the country. I’ve seen endless jars of thc that tests 90+% every time for years now.
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I agree. I didnt mean to phrase it in such a way to not be alarming.
To add to your comment, I have never seen isomerized materials without the presence of unnatural byproducts.
93%-95% is typically the highest we see.
I will also agree that our location dictates what we receive.
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