"CBD Is over"

Yes i have COAs for everything on the store and are all tested for residuals. CBD comes back as LOQ for everything and the CBG is 145 ppm pentane.
I added a discount code for any purchase above $50, use “future4200” for 20% off everything, cuz i know u guys are more in tune with the wholesale prices.

@IsolationChamberLab i do not have any liability insurance, but will look into it.

Maybe i should get verified on here and i can actually start advertising, im not trying to break any of those rules…

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and buttered toast.

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Yes, definitely have insurance, product liability. From the field through the end product. If there is ever a recall or someone gets ill, will help protect. Look into food safety modernization act and Haacp guidelines. We as an industry need to be here if making products.

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Just about to launch one. We repurposed the reception area of our production facility into a place where people can come by and buy products 70% cheaper - the numbers work and very viable if you have access to quality products that benefit people’s health.

As @Rowan would say, don’t bake bread, bake a wedding cake?

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ooohhh nice

what state is this happening in?

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Ireland :slight_smile:

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Get in touch with Ron(Spencers partner) he use to do cannabis insurance before the lab.

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Last day vote for the @beaker award

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Here’s a copy of an article I wrote for LinkedIn:

Crash
People in the industry are calling the current nose-dive in hemp prices a “crash” but that’s not only a misnomer but a failure to see what’s actually happening in the market place while also ignoring historical values of well established similar agricultural commodities. What happening is not a crash.

Let me be clear.

What’s happening is that hemp is settling into its place as an industrial-scale agricultural commodity, not unlike corn, soy, and wheat. Large volumes and small margins.

You Hate Hemp

I get a lot of flak from people when I talk to them about how low prices can actually go. “Why do you hate the farmer?” They ask.

“Why are you trying to ruin the industry.” They querie.

More than anything I want people to succeed in this industry, and want the industry to succeed as well, but to do so we must be brutally honest with ourselves.

People simply do not want to believe what I’m telling them, but I’ve been extremely accurate about cannabis prices and trends for the last 20 years, and hemp market behavior for the last 3 years. Let’s take a hard and honest look at where this industry is likely to settle when it comes to prices.

The Cost of Cultivation

The cost of cultivation is dropping, like other segments of the hemp industry, dramatically. Seeds were selling last year for well over a dollar each. This year we’re already seeing Cherry Wine seeds sell for under $5 a pound.

Farmers in 2018 and 2019 were spending upwards of $2500 per acre just on seeds. Now that same $2500 will seed 14,000,000 acres. Are you starting to see the scope of this thing? One acre will cost about 35 cents in seed. (Yes, I’m aware of the other input costs). We’re just talking about the cost of the hemp seed.

I like to use 17 pounds per liter as a guide when making crude because its a fairly conservative number for efficient crude production with good quality CBD biomass.

The $85-Dollar Liter

Let’s say that the cost of hemp is 50 cents a pound to produce, and it sells for $1 per pound. (Good California-grown Alfalfa sells for 12 cents a pound, as a reference.) That means the biomass cost for the processor could be as low as $15-$25 dollars per liter.

At an inflated price of $8 per gallon of ethanol, a lab with a 90% efficiency can produce that liter using around $20 in lost ethanol. Add another $35 for labor and other costs and we’re at about $55.

“But I can’t make a liter for $55 dollars!”

Then you will be out of business. The winners will be large efficient operations who will extract at refinery scale for pennies a liter. The exception will be niche brands. Now back to prices.

Let’s assume that a processor can produce a single CBD liter for $55 dollars in costs. Now we’re looking at a $60-85 liter of ethanol extracted CBD crude. Cost.

We’re selling CBG isolate for between $3500 and $6000 dollars a kilo right now. At first, our Portland lab sold CBG for $25,000 a kilo last year and then dropped to $10 - $12,000 a kilo after Harvest of 2019. CBG will follow CBD down the rabbit hole, as will the other newly developing and higher-priced cannabinoids hit the market.

The Dark Side

2021 will be even lower prices. This is the reality of the future of our industry. Don’t be resistant. Those who resist will die.

I can’t believe I’m sounding more like Darth Vader than a cannabinoid processor!

I hate being the bearer of bad news because I love this industry and really enjoy working in an industry that improves the health and wellbeing of people while simultaneously creating financial opportunities for businesses like farmers.

But make no mistake, this industry will crush some people and destroy their lives. Even I have taken some near-death financial and emotional blows that almost closed my doors forever. If you came to hemp in search of the promised million dollars per acre, or the multi-million-dollar commission check, you will likely find yourself heartbroken and maybe even financially ruined, or worse.

The Surviving is Success

As inefficient and non-GMP, non-SQF operations close their doors, the survivors will absorb larger market shares and higher profits, as previously seen in many other industries.

If you are here to help people and work harder and smarter than your competitors in order to succeed, and you are realistic and educated about markets and business, then you might just do very well in the hemp industry.

Maybe.

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That $5 pound is not feminized seed, the price of which has not dropped much at all from last year.

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Alfalfa can be weeded with herbicide hemp can’t. You can’t compare the two crops. The market is pushing a lot of farms out and a lot of the farmers who try to farm this year might not be able to do it. Idk where the markets going to go. But quality hemp is closer to peppers or tomatoes than alfalfa.

Honestly I think your take here could even be called optimistic. You’re talking about price crash from the supply side. Not even considering a possible crash in CBD demand, in which case you won’t even be able to sell those $85 liters because the market will have dramatically overproduced. The FDA hasn’t even approved CBD for food. Where is all this commodity CBD going to get sold??

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That’s my thought, hemp and cbd oil is in a weird place because it can be produced in massive oil refineries for increasingly less cost, yet the idea of running 100K pounds of biomass per hour seems crazy to me.

Let’s say you’re getting 40lbs of biomass per Kg of finished distillate.

That means in a 24 hour shift, you would run 2.4 Million pounds of biomass and produce 60,000 Kg of distillate (assuming you had distillation to keep up with that much extraction) well if ever kilo is ~1,000 doses of product then you just made 60,000,000 units worth of finished product in a single day.

By those numbers you’d make over 21 Billion units per year, or 3 CBD “tinctures” for every person on earth.

So while cbd can be produced at scale and at a commodity price, it’s not demanded at a commodity level like wheat.

Retail markets may have something to do with this charging outrageous prices for a 30ml 1000mg cbd tincture, even though the actual bottle costs more than anything inside of it. Perhaps if it was 5$/bottle more people would use it?

I’m skeptical that many more people would start buying cbd because it’s cheaper, a lot of people just aren’t interested.

Maybe the answer would also be in higher doses? 10g per bottle instead of 1g? But then you open up a whole different can of worms with drug interactions and safe dosages etc.

Right now I would argue that CBD oil is viewed as a more luxury/wellness item than a commodity like say canola oil…

So I guess the question is, will the consumer begin to view cbd oil as more of a commodity like olive oil or canola oil, or will it stay as more of a niche wellness item.

Because at the end of the day the market is not only shaped by supply (as we all leaned very painfully over the last year) it’s shaped by demand. If the demand isn’t there then some facilities may seem like overkill.

Ultimately super labs will probably be able to put price o everyone and just run their equipment 1 day per week or less and supply the whole market. :woman_shrugging:

Edit: Also wouldn’t 14,000,000 acres at say 2000 plants per acre and say 1.5lbs per plant give you 42 Billion pounds of biomass… or like 1 Billion Kg of Distillate??

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Not if their investors genuinely expected the profit from it running 365 days a year. Then they will have some explaining to do.

How on Earth could CBD oil be sold like conola oil??? This is a big question and nobody has an answer. Under no circumstances will you get people to eat grams of CBD every day. Nor is there any reason to expect they would see any health benefit from that, or even that it would be tolerated. Producing a billion kg of distillate a year isn’t going to be good for anyone. There is no use for the stuff.

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We can build a castle out of Distillate. We can each get our own throne, I want mine to be T-free :joy::joy::joy:

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I want to really put this in perspective for people. Last year 5 billion kilos of tea were grown, in the whole world. Tea, which is consumed many times a day by huge segments of the global population. We’re talking about the possibility of more hemp than that being grown in the US alone. And it would be one thing if this was all getting used for paper or clothing – but people still expect to turn it all into CBD!

Forget price crash, this looks to me like a financial black hole. I have been worried about the hemp market collapsing for a long time now but looking at these numbers i have to accelerate my time scale a bit. This is a disaster in the making.

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Its been over for awhile, people just dont want to see it or admit it.

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It’s definitely not a pretty scene right now. I know bankrupt farmers in OR with 14% biomass ready to burn it all and use their smokable as kindling!

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How much hemp are we growing in the US these days?

Apparently around 250,000 acres were planted last year. I don’t know what plans are for this year.